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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Karunamon »

leetcrew wrote: post #96
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably pref…

The hatred comes from their proliferation. With what seems like damn near everything moving to a subscription model, it's more money out of my pocket for usually what amounts to rent-seeking (i.e, demanding more money, more often, whilst providing no additional value).

That last bit I don't believe applies to 1Password, because there are certain things you can't do without some kind of centralization, and the article makes that case.

...but look at something like Adobe CC, what exactly does moving from a purchase to a subscription benefit me? And let's not forget about the more subtle effects, like losing the right of first sale, silent T&C changes, mandatory updates, etc - things that are only to the vendor's benefit.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by _jal »

xuki wrote: post #51

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

Second vote for Bitwarden.

Lastpass is a bucket of ass.

They've had security bugs in their browser extension before, but it is almost required to use it - the webapp works horribly without it. My least-used browser gets that extension, so it isn't running most of the time, at least. And with it, the UI is still terrible. The app is just awkward and poorly done.

The one good thing I can say is the user/group model is reasonably implemented.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by runlevel1 »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I'd be ok with paying an annual fee for the app.

What I have zero interest in is increasing my attack surface solely for their bottom line.

I'm also increasingly uncomfortable with the company handling my passwords engaging in the sort of spin and dark patters we've seen from AgileBits in the past few years.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by avidiax »

brandonarnold wrote: post #74

The argument they're making in this longwinded post applies to most software today. Standalone licenses made sense when your life revolved around one PC saving data to its own hard drive. Today, if you want that, there are great free/DIY options.

Subscription based licensing is mostly rent-seeking.

The cloud storage, compute, and egress for a password manager is fractions of a penny per year per user.

Yes, engineering and upkeep and new features costs money. If those features are truly valuable, then the market would bear paying an additional one-time fee, just as photoshop 8 had to be better than photoshop 7 in some way to justify the purchase.*

But what new features could a mature password manager possibly have? Support for newer version of IOS and Android is the only must-have that comes to mind.

* File format changes not-withstanding.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by selykg »

evgen wrote: post #106
yesimahuman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. Electron works great, and if this leads to more frequent updates and a more consistent experience across platforms, that's a win for users. 1Password's Windows client, for example, has always felt behind the Mac edition, and if this brings parity and a higher feature and update velocity, that's a win. I have at least three Electron apps open right now and they are all great experiences that the va…

Electron is a pile of shit and _every_ Electron app I am forced to use should be a source of continuous shame for any dev who actually worked on it. This has nothing to do with improving features or service and is completely about increasing revenue and improving the sort of numbers investors like to see -- driven entirely by the fact that AgileBits has recently closed a B round and needs to show more revenue to just…

Bitwarden and iCloud Keychain user here. I'm looking forward to the 2FA improvements in this year's macOS. It'll mean I could, in theory, mostly ditch Bitwarden as that's the big use case there for me.

You can create a shortcut in the iOS shortcuts app to open the Passwords area of Settings via an icon on your Home Screen. Just open the following URL in the shortcut:

prefs:root=PASSWORDS

Best tip I have for you around iCloud Keychain right there.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by dangus »

smnrchrds wrote: post #32
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #8

This makes sense to me. Lots of other products have head in the same direction over time (e.g. YNAB) for similar reasons. SaaS is familiar to consumers and ultimately a nicer business model for most products. If you support SaaS for new customers, maintaining the old product / pricing model indefinitely eventually stops making sense. At some point you have to make a move like this. It is probably particularly timely…

I will run the installed version of YNAB as long as it runs on my computer, and after that I'll probably run in in a virtual machine until the end of time. I am not comfortable with my financial information being on the cloud in the hands of a third party, much less so when it is not the likes of Google and Apple with armies of security engineers and can be hacked much more easily.

Your bank is already a third party with its hands on your financial information, likely stored "in the cloud."

Check out Chase's privacy policy as an example:

https://www.chase.com/digital/resources/privacy-security/pri...

A number of information sharing activities cannot be limited. This is typical of any bank or financial institution. Your bank has its own vendors, many of them are themselves SaaS and cloud hosted!

Even large, sophisticated banks can be hacked:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/30/business/bank-hacks-capit...

My point isn't to say "Why care at all? Just open the floodgates!" Instead, my point here is that trust and security in our society is only as good as the people and institutions that back them up. We don't use bank vault doors for our front doors just because we have the knowledge that anyone with simple tools can defeat a home lock.

Therefore, I think that the choice of more inconvenient solutions made just to avoid some nebulous what-if scenarios involving privacy is often (but not always) the wrong way to go.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by mynameisvlad »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

100% same. I've been a happy subscriber for years now, and recently switched to the Family plan to try and get my parents to start taking security a bit more seriously.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by weaksauce »

bennyp101 wrote: post #117
nightski wrote: post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

I have bitwarden for my company stuff, and I find it .... very clumsy. The interface is nowhere near as polished as 1password IMHO

yeah the interface is crap compared to 1password but i do find a bit of comfort that even though it's not the best interface it's fully opensource unlike 1password.
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