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Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by kitsunesoba »

blowski wrote: post #102

I just can’t get on the “let’s all hate Electron because it’s non-performant” bandwagon. I can understand why, say, a text editor in Electron might be frustrating. But in the case of 1Password, I spend barely time in the app itself so I’m really not bothered about speed. I’m bothered about security - it’s the reason I use 1Password. I’m bothered about pricing. I’m bothered about support across different operating sys…

I’m less concerned about performance and more about how Electron usage means that 1Password will be yet another app doing its own thing for UI instead of obeying platform conventions. For this kind of app, getting in, pulling the info you need, and getting out quickly is highly valuable and native apps lend themselves to that by virtue of not inventing their own rulesets. Electron apps also tend to be less than great at startup times.

That said, performance becomes a consideration with any app that gets frequent use — one Electron app isn’t too bad, but when you’re running multiple it piles up and starts to turn your machine into a ball of tar, especially if you already have a bunch of browser tabs. This is particularly relevant on RAM limited machines… your 32GB+ RAM workstation isn’t going to sweat it, but your 8GB MacBook Air sure will.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by CharlesW »

bgentry wrote: post #12
newman314 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious to see if they have finally killed off standalone. I've been a 1Password user for years but have staunchly resisted going to their subscription model because I want my data local. It's infuriating that 1Password has steadily downplayed standalone versions to the point where it's almost impossible to find.

They have, the removal of a standalone option was also part of this announcement.

> They have, the removal of a standalone option was also part of this announcement.

Eh? They literally show the standalone app in the Tweet this submission links to.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by shawndellysse »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #111
apple4ever wrote: post #43

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And I would say VSCode has its own annoyances but due to the fact there are few other good options (that are native Mac at least) its still praised.

Nova is a good native Mac option

I looked at it when it first came out but not since, does it have a typescript debugger yet?

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by steveklabnik »

pushrax wrote: post #110
steveklabnik wrote: post #104

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Is that physical or virtual memory? I know that on Windows, it reports physical, but I haven't used the Mac tooling in long enough to remember.

Physical.

Cool thanks, I figured, but wanted to make sure.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by steveklabnik »

aniforprez wrote: post #118
steveklabnik wrote: post #71

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I'm not a Mac user these days, what OS features will it be missing now?

I'm actually sort of worried drag and drop won't work anymore with their menu bar pop up

Oh that's neat, I didn't even know that was a feature. (Part of why I'm asking, I'm always wondering if there's good ways to use something that I don't know about.)

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by fnord123 »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #61
bgentry wrote: post #5

The most disturbing part about this is that their support team has been misleading people on Twitter all morning, not truthfully answering straightforward questions about whether the app is Electron: https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425429965747720200 https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425470169133031435 https://twitter.com/1Password/status/1425476888072495111

The thing I find totally infuriating is, this strategy of decoupling the backend business logic into a performant, cross-platform Rust service seems really smart ! Now that you have decoupled brains, you could put it behind a native front end, brilliant, Adobe should have done this with their Creative Suite a decade ago. But no, they used this strategy to support a trash cross-platform frontend. Wonderful. Will be ev…

FWIW on Linux my 1Password is using 122MB Resident (with 37GB Virtual which is a weirdly huge amount) according to htop. It also uses about 1% of the CPU when idle according to system monitor. And according to sysprof it was in 6-10% of my machine's traces from some short samples I just took.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by nnf »

CharlesW wrote: post #122
bgentry wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have, the removal of a standalone option was also part of this announcement.

> They have, the removal of a standalone option was also part of this announcement. Eh? They literally show the standalone app in the Tweet this submission links to.

"standalone" as it was used in the text you quoted means "supports local vaults" (i.e., can be used without paying for a subscription). Announcement discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28145247

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by lazzlazzlazz »

djrogers wrote: post #72
cloogshicer wrote: post #2

Currently 1Password's UX is just awful. - On macOS, half the time auto fill doesn't work. Saving a password is very inconsistent. - When you auto generate a password, the least resistance UI workflow is to first save and fill it - but then when you create the account it is saved again, making it a duplicate. - The "move to trash" button is obscurely hidden somehow (used to be much better). - And don't get me started…

Anecdata, but I've not experienced a single one of the issues you're seeing, and I use it across 2 Macs an iPhone and an iPad dozens of times a day.

This is genuinely surprising to me. I've used 1Password for years across every browser on Android, iOS, Mac OS, and Windows, and the issues with autofill and saving on websites are consistent. You must be using it for only a few sites, only for apps — something.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by CharlesW »

nnf wrote: post #127
CharlesW wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have, the removal of a standalone option was also part of this announcement. Eh? They literally show the standalone app in the Tweet this submission links to.

"standalone" as it was used in the text you quoted means "supports local vaults" (i.e., can be used without paying for a subscription). Announcement discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28145247

Oh! Thank you for explaining. I'm a 1Password user, but wasn't familiar with this functionality.

Re: 1Password for Mac Moving to Electron

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Post by erichurkman »

rcarmo wrote: post #68
erichurkman wrote: post #59

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Do you have a link to read more about the loss of iCloud sync? If that's accurate, goodbye 1password. I was irked (but understood) the move into a subscription model, but this step would make no sense from a personal sec-ops perspective. While I generally am not a fan of iCloud (and how it forces certain things to sync onto devices), I really do NOT want yet another "cloud" to store incredibly sensitive info like pas…

Sure, here you go. It's buried in their community forums and dressed up as an "improvement" for "non-technical" people: https://1password.community/discussion/comment/602340/#Comme...

Wow, talk about being buried.

(Curmudgeon engaged) These company communications are just a few ironic emojis away from fitting in with Facebook MLM spam and don't instill much confidence.

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