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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Pro TikTok take. It's easier and friendlier to consume. The algorithm is good at tailoring interests. But, it's more like TV than FB.

Con. The algorithm seems to dish out similarly structured videos for all users. For example, it generally includes music that is extremely annoying. (That "No no no" song that is on every other video). At the same time, I also recognize how addictive the app is and because of it I would never download it myself.

> That "No no no" song that is on every other video

Oh, every generation of internet users has made repetitive memes like this; we just have more bandwidth now.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s also much more positive. If I spend 20 minutes on TikTok I usually laugh and smile a few times. And regularly I’m impressed at human creativity. 20 minutes on Instagram or Facebook is usually either boring or leaves me comparing myself to others. 20 minutes on YouTube and I feel like I’ve watched 10 minutes of ads and 10 minutes of fluff. 20 minutes on Reddit and I hate the world.

Spending 20 minutes in any of those apps is 20 minutes you didn't do something productive. None of them are good for you.

“The time you enjoy wasting, is not wasted time”

- John Lennon

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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That is a real threat, but that's a problem with (proprietary, centralized) online media in general. Which social network would you trust not to do that? Facebooks experiment on manipulating emotions comes to mind [1]. The only way to minimize these effects is to consume a multitude of media from multiple sources, so no one entity has too much influence. Balancing all the US-based social networks with some TikTok cer…

TikTok has already been found to be censoring content that criticises the Chinese government [1]. Theres a big difference between that and a nonpolitical public research project that ended up with a minuscule effect size. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...

> a nonpolitical public research project

Are you referring to Camebridge Analytica?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Curious - does TikTok censor content that China would find sensitive, like the existence of Taiwan or pro Hong Kong protest content?

It did in 2019: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

It is an anecdote but over the last 2 weeks, a few times (3-4) when I clicked on the top live videos, it is the live of a man too obese to even walk

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

I agree that many Youtube videos are tedious and needlessly dragged out, probably caused by focussing on time spent as KPI. Too many Youtube videos nowadays give a strong vibe of creators being made only for the money. For TikTok I feel it's still at the stage where the makers, above all else, just want to be seen. But maybe it's only a matter of time before it devolves into aggressive monetization.

I feel like Vine had a lot of that quirky, comedic energy. It's a shame that Twitter decided to discontinue it. I sometimes still watch Vine compilation videos when I want to feel nostalgic.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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The march away from language continues. Facial expressions may be a rich form of communication but the kinds of ideas you can communicate with them are severely restricted. Literacy was hard won and now it seems like we're letting it go. Then again, maybe I'm just too old to understand.

these are the drills of the 21st century oil fields. they can stimulate you instantly with personalized content feeds, with no thought or effort required from you. inevitably you'll blow a geyser of ego. like oil wells people will be drained from the inside and uninhabitable on the out. don't mind the placid smiles illuminated by the glow of phone displays when your eyes venture forth from your own pixelscape, it's another oil rig.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

TikTok has already been found to be censoring content that criticises the Chinese government [1]. Theres a big difference between that and a nonpolitical public research project that ended up with a minuscule effect size. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/sep/25/revealed-...

> a nonpolitical public research project Are you referring to Camebridge Analytica?

No, the emotional contagion paper the OP linked. Facebook had no active role in the Cambridge Analytic affair.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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post #25

I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020.

I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually.

This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/

Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdoss9jL/

90k likes because TikTok hates fat people: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosn9PW/

100k: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdoGfVKH/

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I'm just continually amazed at how Twitter bought vine and then allowed this to happen.

Seems like a pretty good example of "Ideas are nothing, execution is everything." The for me page, the longer video length, all the particular UI decisions all add up to a big difference in stickiness.
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