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Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by hhlbf »

dTal wrote: post #88
effie wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Alright, let me spell it out. You contend that "submitting your country[sic] laws to legislation from Brusel[sic] was a fatal error", on the grounds of a single piece of legislation. The same argument can be used to argue against any sort of government, since it's a rare government that makes no mistakes at all. The EU is top-tier in a wide range of areas spanning from human rights to food safety. So I ask again - wh…

This argument is crap and you should be ashamed to use it as a personal attack.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by hhlbf »

the-dude wrote: post #70
argvargc wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Another question : Ruptly is reporting live on these protests in Paris and Berlin on YT weekly now. Are they part of the censorship? Is there something they are not showing?

Ruptly is Russian media, so I suppose they have the freedom to report these things that local media doesn't have.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by rednum »

fulafel wrote: post #103
ailef wrote: post #74

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I'm not a lawyer, but I suppose it will apply in the same way GDPR applies to anyone who wants to access the EU market (regardless of where you/your servers are). That is, if you're fine with your system not being accessible from the EU because of non-compliance you should be fine? Don't take my word for it though, I'm just assuming. Maybe somebody with more knowledge chan chime in.

Systems don't become inaccessible from the EU because of GDPR, there's no great firewall of europe that would make that happen. But depending on circumstances, you could still get fined for violations even if you aren't situated in EU.

> there's no great firewall of europe

Not yet, but it seems someone is thinking about one, see: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2020/6487...

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by effie »

dTal wrote: post #88
effie wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not substantive. Please read the HN guidelines.

Alright, let me spell it out. You contend that "submitting your country[sic] laws to legislation from Brusel[sic] was a fatal error", on the grounds of a single piece of legislation. The same argument can be used to argue against any sort of government, since it's a rare government that makes no mistakes at all. The EU is top-tier in a wide range of areas spanning from human rights to food safety. So I ask again - wh…

> on the grounds of a single piece of legislation.

No, I said "when you realize", not that it is the "single piece of legislation".

There are many other reasons for that stance, such as the fact that nation's people can influence and check their government's laws with more success than it can do that to a supernational undemocratic bureaucratic organization.

> The EU is top-tier in a wide range of areas spanning from human rights

They have full mouth of it, yes. They issued some great declarations and legally binding resolutions, I agree. In case of vaccines, almost all EU governments act in direct violation and EU has no real power/wish to stop them.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by thefr0g »

AtticHacker wrote: post #52

If it becomes mandatory for email providers to screen emails, will services such as Protonmail become illegal in the EU? Since they don't have access to their users' email content because of encryption.

> If it becomes mandatory for email providers to screen emails, will services such as Protonmail become illegal in the EU?

Protonmail should already be illegal in the EU because they operate under swiss mass-surveilance laws and cooperate with US-American law enforcement. Both of which violates the GDPR if they do business in an EU state.

> Since they don't have access to their users' email content because of encryption.

They still have access to all the unencrypted mail their users send and receive and to all the metadata of the enrypted communications.

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Post by aj3 »

q-rews wrote: post #20

Looking forward to the 2050 Asshole Control Act that will mandate daily colonoscopies in case someone is hiding a pendrive with CP on it. Just in case. You wouldn’t be opposed, would you? What are you a nonce? Arrest the downvoter.

Try stuffing pendrive there and going through airport securiyt. We're already checking for this (effectively).

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by cm2187 »

kecupochren wrote: post #24

The news are pretty depressing these last couple of days. We're marching towards very dystopian future.

It is astonishing that most liberal democracies are looking at the Chinese system of control on society with envy. In a way, mandatory covid passes to do anything are already a form of social credit system. And with so many people obsessed with virtu signalling, an actual social credit system would likely get some traction.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by mkl95 »

anfelor wrote: post #98

The scary thing about this is that many people have images that look like child porn at home: Family photos of naked grandchildren playing at the sea or in the mud, as well as sexting between consenting teenagers. There is no way automatic classification can distinguish these from real child porn, because they look almost identical and thus many private pictures will be shared with the government. This not only infri…

Not only that, but child porn seems to mean a different thing in every place. The Netherlands and other European countries define the age of consent at 16, meaning some things that are perfectly legal there will be a ticket to prison in many countries. Now you don't just have an engineering problem, you will also have to spend a bunch of money to have some lawyers review your spec.

Re: Messaging and chat control

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Post by the-dude »

hhlbf wrote: post #122
the-dude wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another question : Ruptly is reporting live on these protests in Paris and Berlin on YT weekly now. Are they part of the censorship? Is there something they are not showing?

Ruptly is Russian media, so I suppose they have the freedom to report these things that local media doesn't have.

From what I have understood is that the Ruptly crews are safe because they are trusted and known to publish a factual non-editorialized stream.

The traditional media? Not so much.

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