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Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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And they have a fun interactive game you can play to defuse the bomb too! https://www.damninteresting.com/interactive/zab/

I'm confused by this game - did the original panel have lights? I was hoping this was a logical model of the original bomb, but switching #5 seems to set it off. The article says that #5 was known to be dummy.

the game is similar to "simon says" and has nothing to do with defusing the dummy

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Given that the bomb exploded, how do they know what was inside the detonator? I guess the culprit had some technical drawings in his possession when he was arrested?

They did do extensive X-Ray scanning of the device.

Additionally, they sandbagged the device before exploding it, so I would assume they re-constructed the device after the explosion.

Given that the detonator was housed in a thick steel shell, there would be minimal heat damage due to the explosion.

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As always, with any crime, the more people involved, the greater the possibility that human factors will sabotage the operation. The perfect crime has one perpetrator. It is also why its fascinating that people will believe in conspiracy theories that supposedly involve tens / hundreds / thousands of people. Theories that we faked the moon landing always intrigue me. Or that the earth is flat.

I see your point! I totally do. I also used to hold this belief. But then the Snowden revelations came out and it was revealed that probably 10,000 people in government were aware of a system that was sucking up all of our data for warrantless search and they had successfully kept the secret for something like 10 years (or more?). For sure it's true that a secret can be kept by three people if two of them are dead. B…

It was already known pre-Snowden that ATT and others had put optical switches on their networks from data coming in/out of the country and everything in mass was being copied for later analysis.

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I was working at Google when it came out, and that they were tapping our private inter-dc links was a huge update. Before I think it was something like "I guess the NSA could do that a bit, but it would be a prohibitively costly to do much" and then suddenly it was "we have to encrypt all of this as quickly as we can". There was a huge internal reprioritization. (Speaking only for myself; I didn't work on any of this…

"Seriously, fuck these guys"

Easy to say f regulations, and oddly and most surprisingly nobody ever says good regulations when the building doesn’t come down.

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> I always wonder at how criminals that otherwise might seem movie-like masterminds are caught as a result of mundane mistakes and outright stupid moves like this.

I always think of this very thing. BTK, for example, was caught because of metadata found in a Word document he mailed into the police on a floppy disk.

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I see your point! I totally do. I also used to hold this belief. But then the Snowden revelations came out and it was revealed that probably 10,000 people in government were aware of a system that was sucking up all of our data for warrantless search and they had successfully kept the secret for something like 10 years (or more?). For sure it's true that a secret can be kept by three people if two of them are dead. B…

An obvious counterpoint is that the conspiracy was exposed, by Snowden. I think the lesson here is that a "conspiracy" can exist as long as all of its participants believe they are morally in the right. The people involved in the NSA dragnet believed in the cause; when a non-believer (Snowden) got involved, the gig was up. It's easy to believe that a government agency would overstep its bounds to spy on people it (ac…

I don't think that's quite right.

Most criminal conspiracies succeed as evidenced by the fact that most crimes aren't solved and most criminals aren't arrested. In fact, the larger your criminal organization, the less likely you are to go to prison. If I shot a passerby on the street, witnesses would be coming out of the woodwork. Friends or family would identify me by surveillance tape or report my strange behavior. Conversely, if a gang in Baltimore kills some guy, nobody will come forward. Let's not even get started on cartels.

Instead, I think it's much more apt to say that whether or not a conspiracy will be betrayed depends a lot on what will happen to the traitor/whistleblower.

If you want to turn in an evil, murderous, criminal organization, you'd better be willing to die or flee somewhere beyond their grasp. That bravery needs to be combined with an ability to get compelling evidence to the people who need to see it.

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I think that Snowden leaks were more or less an open secret. I mean, it is about spies spying. Sure, the NSA overstepped its borders, but it is not exactly the first time (remember ECHELON), and the way it did that wasn't revolutionary. They didn't have a quantum computer, nanobots or anything like that: just competent computer security specialists and too much money to spend. Not even something significant like brea…

It absolutely wasn't common knowledge before Snowden. Even the suggestion would have put you firmly in the conspiracy theorist camp to most people.

Room 641A was known in the hacker community and proven to exist via a lawsuit by the EFF in 2006, 7 years before Snowden entered the picture.

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What should they do? Mourn the loss of some concrete and steel?

I meant in a tongue and cheek kind of way. I was thinking it was funny. Apparently HN is full of people that interpret text literally and cannot infer nuance whatsoever.

I mean it wasn't very funny and HN is full of people who do make crazy statements like that seriously...

Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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post #68

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I think that Snowden leaks were more or less an open secret. I mean, it is about spies spying. Sure, the NSA overstepped its borders, but it is not exactly the first time (remember ECHELON), and the way it did that wasn't revolutionary. They didn't have a quantum computer, nanobots or anything like that: just competent computer security specialists and too much money to spend. Not even something significant like brea…

It absolutely wasn't common knowledge before Snowden. Even the suggestion would have put you firmly in the conspiracy theorist camp to most people.

I went out drinking once in DC with some people who worked at the NSA in 2005 or so and they said they were hiring for people to analyze "all the traffic on the internet".

When the Snowden leaks came out it was not a surprise. Granted most people don't go out drinking with the people doing the spying, but even people who work at the NSA can't keep a secret, if it was even meant to be a secret.

Re: Harvey’s Casino Bomb

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Except for when the husband didn't do it after being convicted, where it turns out the wife was having an affair with a golf pro, and someone comes in and kills them both. I bet that one would even lend itself into making a great movie.

What, would you have an entire movie with the husband sitting in prison slowly whittling away the time with a rock hammer? Never would get funded.

Cast Harrison Ford as the wrongfully accused husband. Have him escape after his bus to the prison crashes, then have Tommy Lee Jones as a US Marshal chase Ford down while Ford is trying to prove his innocence.

Might just make for a blockbuster movie.

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