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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by jamespo »

foxpurple wrote: post #59
devwastaken wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If macbooks were gone tomorrow, the ipad would not replace it. Very different use cases. Sure, if you took an ipad, put OSX on it, and glued it to the hinges of a macbook as the screen - then maybe it'd be very similiar. Not great performance or battery life, but similiar. But in no way am I getting work done on an ipad touchscreen with a little flimsy foldable keyboard and kickstand.

This is outdated info. The latest iPad Pro has the M1 chip, exactly the same as the MacBook. And it comes in 8/16gb ram. The magic keyboard accessory apple sells for the iPad also turns it in to the same form factor as a laptop. You very realistically could replace a MacBook with an iPad Pro and magic keyboard if apple let people run macOS on it.

Wouldn't be much of a laptop, good luck using it on your lap

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Post by freakynit »

That's fcking my mobile. I paid for it. I own it. If I want to install something on my owned device, who the f is Apple to stop it?

Think about it this way: A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way. Or architects telling it to only build their HQ's a certain way. Not as an advice, but, enforced.

How ridiculous is that!

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by pibechorro »

freakynit wrote: post #122

That's fcking my mobile. I paid for it. I own it. If I want to install something on my owned device, who the f is Apple to stop it? Think about it this way: A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way. Or architects telling it to only build their HQ's a certain way. Not as an advice, but, enforced. How ridiculous is that!

Apple has always been like this. Better hope they dont decide to throttle down your current hardware when they release a thinner one next year and deem yours obsolete.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by sammorrowdrums »

rusk wrote: post #118
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

There really needs to be a third way … how are Linux smart phones looking? No hope of getting WhatsApp etc presumably but at the very least a fairly solid browser should be possible …

Work on PinePhones and Librem 5 is going well. There are still issues of course but I’ve been blown away by the community efforts to iron out the issues. You can get Linux Signal and you’d still need to have it connected to an android or iOS device too, but that would at least give you messaging.

The other caveat being that there are still many apps that are not designed for mobile form factor, and while there is strong work on libhandy and many apps use it for responsive GTK apps, there are many great apps were work hasn’t yet started for mobile sizing/touch input/virtual keyboard

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Post by ericmay »

user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

If you want to do whatever to your phone there are already lots of options. I’m not sure what a law is going to do here that you can’t already do today.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by tgv »

user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

I'm totally opposed. My parents (who are rather old) use an iPhone and iPad, and I'm happy they have no option to fuck things up more than they already do. If you're talking about "freedom": nobody forces you to buy Apple.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Renaud »

ericmay wrote: post #126
user3939382 wrote: post #114

I guess we need a congressional bill that lets people sideload apps on their phone. It seems ridiculous to have to get to that level but apparently that’s the only way. We have some progress now on right to repair. Next up, right to use.

If you want to do whatever to your phone there are already lots of options. I’m not sure what a law is going to do here that you can’t already do today.

People are stuck in their ecosystem. The monetary coat of changing platform is quite high if you’re already invested in that ecosystem.

Everyone is paying a lot of money for a system they basically own nothing about. You keep paying, for apps, for hardware, that’s forever tied up to the whims of that platform’s owner (not you).

Not in favour of more laws, but forcing the hands of these platforms so they provide more control to their customers is not a bad thing.

At the moment none of them have any incentive to do it.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by ericmay »

Renaud wrote: post #128
ericmay wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to do whatever to your phone there are already lots of options. I’m not sure what a law is going to do here that you can’t already do today.

People are stuck in their ecosystem. The monetary coat of changing platform is quite high if you’re already invested in that ecosystem. Everyone is paying a lot of money for a system they basically own nothing about. You keep paying, for apps, for hardware, that’s forever tied up to the whims of that platform’s owner (not you). Not in favour of more laws, but forcing the hands of these platforms so they provide more…

> People are stuck in their ecosystem. The monetary coat of changing platform is quite high if you’re already invested in that ecosystem.

What are the costs? I can buy an iPhone or an Android phone and switch pretty easily can’t I?

> Not in favour of more laws, but forcing the hands of these platforms so they provide more control to their customers is not a bad thing.

Maybe more control isn’t a good thing? But even so aren’t there phones in the market they cater to those who want more control.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by daemoon »

freakynit wrote: post #122

That's fcking my mobile. I paid for it. I own it. If I want to install something on my owned device, who the f is Apple to stop it? Think about it this way: A chair supplier telling Apple to only allow it's employees to sit a certain way. Or architects telling it to only build their HQ's a certain way. Not as an advice, but, enforced. How ridiculous is that!

> How ridiculous is that!

Not as ridiculous as being well aware of the limitations of iPhones wrt to installing applications outside of App Store and still buying one. People should vote with their wallets. Me personally I do not mind the limitations, but if you do - don't buy it.

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