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A real communist society spans the globe.
Jeff Bezos’ Dystopian Legacy Goes Far Beyond Amazon
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#122Isn't Amazon's fear of running out of people a sign of the market correcting this?
Isn't the existence of Amazon's current practices a sign of the market not correcting anything ?
There's nothing about market forces correcting for bad behavior that says it has to happen quickly. It just says it will, eventually. Eventually they'll need to either raise pay or change practices to keep people employed, but that may take a while.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> But the EU is a big place and people are free to pick which country they live in. There are limits though. You have a 3 months period where you can stay in another UE country then the national authorities can ask for your leaving. There are statuses that allows you to stay longer (work, studies, retirement, etc.) but those statuses have requirements and obligations. You can't take your tent, set it up somewhere in…
What the hell ! I moved from France to Ireland and there was no question asked at any point, I just booked a ferry and rented a flat, no paperwork at all and I could live there as long as I wanted to. I'm not so much saying you're wrong as afraid you're right, do you have sources ?
Yes, I have googled it before posting my reply (to confirm the details of what I was sure of: there are limits).
https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/residence-ri...
This is part of the FAQ/information forms when asking for information about moving in a EU country for EU citizens.
As an EU citizen, you have the right to move to any EU country for a period of up to 3 months as long as you have a valid identity card or passport. If you want to settle in another EU country but you have no intention to take up any work or education there, you need to prove that you:
have sufficient resources for you and your family during the time you want to stay in your new country
have comprehensive health insurance
During the first 3 months of your stay in your new country, as an EU citizen, you cannot be required to apply for a residence document confirming your right to live there - although in some countries you may have to report your presence upon arrival.
After 3 months in your new country, you may be required to register your residence with the relevant authority (often the town hall or local police station), and to be issued with a registration certificate.
You will need a valid identity card or passport and:
proof of comprehensive health insurance
proof you can support yourself without needing social assistance benefits: resources may come from any source, including from a third person.
You may live in the other EU country as long as you continue to meet the conditions for residence. If you no longer do so, the national authorities may require you to leave.
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And how would people know about these things if it weren't for these communist articles?
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#125Reading this, I'm so glad that in all of the EU it is illegal to fire someone purely based on a software decision. There's a minimum level of humanity that we should extend to everyone. Letting a known faulty AI decide if someone will have money for food tomorrow is way across the line. I'm not surprised that treating humans like cattle on their way to slaughter is hugely profitable. But I'm not sure we want to opera…
People have historically complained a lot about firings not being based on an objective formula. Now the complaint is an objective formula is being used. > WW2 prisoner camps For starters, those camps would shoot anyone who tried to leave. Not the same thing at all.
> For starters, those camps would shoot anyone who tried to leave. Not the same thing at all.
It is an exaggeration, but with the health & social care systems that the US has it isn't a million miles away either.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
No true Scotsman
If you read the ideologies of those "communist" countries, they'll tell you communism is a stateless/classless society based on freedom as it was envisioned by Marx. I'm not using a personal definition to say they're not communist, i'm using their own. According to their vocabulary, such states are dictatorships of the proletariat, which is supposedly a step towards communism, but is NOT communism.
So how many large scale experiments with communism have we had during the last 100 years, and how many of them have ended in success? It's starting to get pretty ridiculous to argue against that kind of body of evidence. I have full respect for anyone trying to question and improve our society and economic system, but to just wind back the clock to 1968, pretend like nothing happened and start ranting about communism? Sorry, that's just a bit too much
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not if the alternative to working for Amazon is, well, death by starvation. People say communism falls apart once subjects stop having reasonably similar goals. Market economy is certainly more resistant to this, but is it infinitely more resistant? How far can we push inequality before that becomes an issue? Edit: That was meant as a response to the parent comment.
A radical thought: If i have the alternative to work for an dystopian megacorp or starve to death... why then not choose the third option: Go to jail while causing as much damage as possible? (Disclaimer: Only a philosophical thought)
Your third option is likely to only reinforce the sociopolitical conditions that lead to corporatism and starvation in the first place.
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#128I've read similar articles so many times but they all lack one thing - solutions. Seriously, what should we do about it? Yeah, I agree that workers shouldn't be working so hard that they can't even go to the bathroom. Would we have a better world if Amazon didn't exist? I personally doubt it. So, it's not Amazon per se, it is the system, isn't? So, what are the solutions? How do we make it better? How do we minimize…
> How do we make it better?
You could, for example, offer these workers better jobs. Can you?
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#129Reading articles like this makes me appreciate living in the EU. It's not always great, but clearly it could be worse. Article 1 of the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights states "Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected." I feel like that would be broken were we to allow this behaviour towards workers.
To each to their own. I'm glad I don't live in the EU as I know I would get too stressed out by the restrictions placed upon individuals living there.
Which are those? I'm not really noticing here.
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#130I've read similar articles so many times but they all lack one thing - solutions. Seriously, what should we do about it? Yeah, I agree that workers shouldn't be working so hard that they can't even go to the bathroom. Would we have a better world if Amazon didn't exist? I personally doubt it. So, it's not Amazon per se, it is the system, isn't? So, what are the solutions? How do we make it better? How do we minimize…
> How do we make it better? You could, for example, offer these workers better jobs. Can you?
Who should? And why should they (what incentives they'd have to do it)?