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Post by derefr »

sterlind wrote: post #118
bostonsre wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it changed its mind or maybe it drip feeds the laws over time since it knows humans could misinterpret laws for things that do not exist yet. (disclaimer: completely agnostic)

or give laws that are simple to articulate, but cover lots of future scenarios via precedent and emergent behavior. the golden rule has held up pretty well (in terms of being applicable, not in terms of being adhered to.)

The commandments that generalize are the exception, not the rule.

You know there are mitzvot about which positions of the priesthood should or should not be allowed to eat specific varieties of grapes (that only grew in Canaan) during specific growing seasons, right?

Those are pretty concrete rules, that don't really generalize. The sort of thing you'd expect to see matched by modern equivalents. And yet, these are believed to be literal divine law, just as much as "thou shalt build an ark" etc. is.

Also, there are separate mitzvot for kosher-ness rules for basically each kind of animal, starting with general classes, but then getting increasingly specific and obscure/unlikely-to-be-eaten-by-humans. (Almost exactly as if a series of people were actively pestering a High Priest with trivia questions like "but when is it ritually-impure to eat flying insects, though?", where they then felt the need to make a ruling.)

If you're curious: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/613_commandments#Canonical_ord...

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by BigJono »

lozf wrote: post #111

Deviant Ollam & Howard Payne did a great talk on Elevator Hacking at Def Con 22. You can catch it at: https://archive.org/details/Defcon22_Talk29/DEF+CON+22+Hacki... or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHf1vD5_b5I [01:00:15]

This is one of my favourite talks ever. I couldn't have given less of a shit about the topic and wasn't expecting to watch more than 5 minutes of it. Nek minnut the video is ending and I wanted another hour of it haha.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by Washuu »

shagie wrote: post #119
smegger001 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah i don't know why they switched everything from wikia to fandom i think it was a bad call.

Wikia still exists... for example https://googology.wikia.org/wiki/Googology_Wiki is a fun one to lose an afternoon to. And you thought Graham's number was big... > Graham's number is commonly celebrated as the largest number ever used in a serious mathematical proof, although much larger numbers have since claimed this title (such as TREE(3) and SCG(13)). The smallest Bowersism exceeding Graham's number is Corporal,…

Wikia.org was created to house wikis that the maintainers did not wish to have their purpose tainted by the more corporate side(Fandom) of the company. So wikia.org handles wikis that are not about entertainment and more educational.

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Post by krapp »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #95
moduspol wrote: post #79

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And for that matter, where is the line drawn? The other workaround I had heard for this is to have a non-Jew hired specifically to stand in the elevator and push buttons on behalf of Jews on the sabbath. But they'd still have to speak the floor so the attendant would know what button to push, right? If so, what if an elevator had basic voice recognition? Speaking the floor number to a machine is no more work than spe…

If speaking isn't allowed, a hack* would be for the elevator to start counting, and tell the passenger to nod or lift their head up after their floor number is mentioned. Or even just walk to the activation corner. * I asked Yahweh, he said this is legal.

>* I asked Yahweh, he said this is legal.

Seems legit.

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

The elevator in my building only lets you select one floor. Accidentally press the one above yours? Now you have to go there first.

Any idea what the purpose of that is? Price discrimination? Abuse prevention? "Well, the ancient elevator did it that way and we want the new one to be the same" backwards "compatibility"?

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Post by rozab »

lozf wrote: post #111

Deviant Ollam & Howard Payne did a great talk on Elevator Hacking at Def Con 22. You can catch it at: https://archive.org/details/Defcon22_Talk29/DEF+CON+22+Hacki... or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHf1vD5_b5I [01:00:15]

Deviant Ollam's talks are always first class. I also love this one, about physical pentesting in general:

https://youtu.be/rnmcRTnTNC8

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by graup »

1024core wrote: post #68

I found a "mode" in an elevator in India that I have not seen anywhere else: if a destination floor number is highlighted, and you press it twice, it gets cancelled. I have used this magic power just once, when an obnoxious man got on and insisted on having a loud conversation on his phone. Since he wasn't paying attention, I double-tapped his floor number and made him skip. I happened to get off at the floor before…

In South Korea, pretty much all elevators have this enabled. Pressing a floor button a second time cancels the request. It's pretty useful (if not abused).

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by thaumasiotes »

bostonsre wrote: post #103
derefr wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, I do get that; I'm more asking why a timeless god wouldn't tell the Jews 4000 years ago to e.g. not construct or partake of social-networking apps (and other such things where they'd have no idea what their God was on about.) An intercessor god dreamed up today would certainly give commandments like that; so why wouldn't a god giving commandments 4000 years ago, but who "exists outside of time", do the same?

Maybe it changed its mind or maybe it drip feeds the laws over time since it knows humans could misinterpret laws for things that do not exist yet. (disclaimer: completely agnostic)

> Maybe it changed its mind

Change is a temporal concept. How could it occur "outside of time"?

Re: List of Special Elevator Modes

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Post by bostonsre »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #129
bostonsre wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it changed its mind or maybe it drip feeds the laws over time since it knows humans could misinterpret laws for things that do not exist yet. (disclaimer: completely agnostic)

> Maybe it changed its mind Change is a temporal concept. How could it occur "outside of time"?

Why would it need to occur outside of time?
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