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AI and Communism: Narratives of AI Behind the Iron Curtain

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Re: AI and Communism: Narratives of AI Behind the Iron Curtain

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Do you have any evidence for your truism? There’s a lot of research about planning. You can even see some of it in practice in capitalist economies, like Walmart and Amazon. Imagine if they were optimising for human need instead of their own profits. We have ample evidence that production for profit on markets is inefficient and ultimately a disaster, like climate change. All those isolated individuals unable to coor…

Which truism is it that I've said that I need to defend? Do you know what a truism is? I already addressed the planning in companies inside market economies elsewhere in this thread, but to summarize, people can quit Walmart or quit shopping there, you can't quit your nation, so there are no feedback mechanisms to help it reorganize when it is functioning badly. Where is this ample evidence? Climate change is caused…

You see this as a debate, but it’s an opportunity to step outside the mainstream liberal ideology. At least read “The People’s Republic of Walmart”, if you won’t read research.

You’re right that it’s pointless to continue, since you’ve been reduced to picking on my non-native English.

Re: AI and Communism: Narratives of AI Behind the Iron Curtain

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WalMart tells manufacturers what to do, how to do it, and when to do it, in very explicit terms. Ask anyone who sells to WalMart. "Who tells whom what to do?" - V.I. Lenin

My family runs a business that sells to WalMart and I worked in merchandising in mega-scale retail briefly and this is 98% bull shit that is either done because you've bought whole hog insane narratives or are trying to fit your own. The idea that WalMart tells P&G how to make Tide is laughable.

That would be relevant if WalMart sold only Tide from P&G. I guess they sell more of their own brands, produced by whomever, according to their terms. Similar to what COSTCO has as 'Kirkland', and ALDI/Trader Joe's as theirs, and so on.

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Allende tried something similar in Chile with project Cybersyn. Not AI yet but it shows how the economy could be centrally planned using technology. Shame that Pinochet's coup ended the experiment.

There's no reason to think it would have produced better results than a free market economy.

There's no reason to think a free market economy is the single best solution we could ever hope to stumble upon. We keep evolving, we will evolve out of the "free" market economy as well.

Re: AI and Communism: Narratives of AI Behind the Iron Curtain

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Allende tried something similar in Chile with project Cybersyn. Not AI yet but it shows how the economy could be centrally planned using technology. Shame that Pinochet's coup ended the experiment.

> Not AI yet but it shows how the economy could be centrally planned using technology. Nonsense. Hayek explained why that can't work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fatal_Conceit Of course, it can be planned - Lenin and Stalin showed that. Just make an AI that emulates those two geniuses. But the results would be equally great like they were in Soviet Russia or Mao's China. Why would anyone in a centrally planned…

> But the results would be equally great like they were in Soviet Russia or Mao's China.

That's your HUGE assumption. While I didn't make any assumption, you are making a big leap of faith here without anything to back it. Pretty much what I would call nonsense.

> Why would anyone in a centrally planned economy work beyond the bare minimum needed to survive?

Sigh. I don't know, maybe ask the many artists, intellectuals, sportsmen, scientists, etc that came out of URSS? How can you be so certain about human nature when nobody can agree on that?

> Nonsense. Hayek explained why that can't work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fatal_Conceit

Ah yes, Hayek, the economist accomplice of the brutal Pinochet's dictatorship. Definitely someone without a strong bias.

Funny that they could only force people into the "free" market under the authority of a dictatorship born from a military coup.

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