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The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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post #92

On Firefox, when I load instagram, it deletes my history so I can't click back. I can't believe they'd deliberately be that shitty... is this some weird bug?

Firefox is doing that to keep Facebook from being able to access that tab's browsing history. You can disable this feature if you don't like it.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/facebookcontainer/

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

"All of this is for the very best end, for if there is a volcano at Lisbon, it could be in no other spot; for it is impossible but things should be as they are, for everything is for the best."

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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[I am not the market segmentation fairy]

I can't buy anything from Amazon without an Amazon account.

Can't use Facetime without two Apple accounts and two Apple devices.

If it really matters, make an account. If it doesn't really matter, then it doesn't really matter.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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post #13

I love instagram. It's the best social media site. Last time I checked, I couldn't even make an account from my desktop computer. I'm not gonna even try to install their app on my G-free phone. When a friends sends me a link to Instagram, I know that I don't need to click on it -- the thumbnail contains all the information that I'd ever see without creating an account. When news articles consist of a bunch of embedde…

Is the way that Twitter links often fail to load on the first several tries (then finally, mysteriously, work as if nothing happened) one of these "force you to log in and use the app" dark patterns? It's been that way for years now, so I have to think it's not accidental.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#125

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

Of course it is and if you can't see that you probably work there implementing dark patterns.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#126
post #72

Where are the developers implementing this stuff on large social media, especially Reddit who had such a user friendly founding? Surely they're here on HN. I'd love to hear their thinking in going along with this, assuming it's something better than "fuck the users I want to get paid." How do you join the dev team for a service you like and use, and then knowingly destroy it?

> How do you join the dev team for a service you like and use, and then knowingly destroy it?

You start with priorities that are fucked up before you even interviewed for the job.

The world of today is not like the world of 10+ years ago. In 2001, if you met a developer, there was an exceptionally high % chance that they were fundamentally into technology in a very deep & personal way. In 2021, you will find that most people in technology see it for the cash cow that it is and utilize it accordingly.

I would say that maybe 10-20% of the tech employees today actually give a fuck about these sorts of things. The rest just want their paycheck and as many other benefits as they can obtain. Raising a stink over dark patterns is not a good idea if you don't bring a whole lot of other meaningful value to the table.

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#127

"Wow, fuck you. I just wanted to look at cats." "Well, fuck you, too. We're here to sell ads." It's not about dark patterns, that's just a second-order effect. It was never about dark patterns. This is the implied agreement. You understand it, or you don't. And if you don't, I guess you haven't been on the web in the past decade or something. What? You thought it was fair that a company spends millions in technical i…

Kinda offtopic but Instagram's ads changed my attitude towards ads, and my attitude towards Facebook's creepy level of insight into my life and personality. If they have that data anyway -- and hundreds of companies do -- I might as well benefit from it, and Instagram's ads were the first ones that I actually found interesting. First of all, it was obvious when something was an ad. Second, they weren't intrusive or obnoxious. And third, they showed me cool stuff I actually wanted to buy! It was actually an enjoyable experience and that's so weird to say about ads.

The surveillance part still creeps me the hell out, but if they're gonna do it anyway they might as well use that data to benefit my life.

(On that note, I often find myself wishing I could ask the NSA for a copy of an old message or photo...)

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#128
post #67
post #48

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Pinterest and Reddit are not better these days. The amount of things you can view on reddit on your phone without creating an account or installing the app is dwindling daily. Every time my wife sends me a Pinterest link I just ask her to screenshot it as I can't see shit on the default mobile page. I don't even know why Google continues to allow them in the results when there is clear-cut policies around showing som…

> Ironically, a good workaround is setting your user agent to the Googlebot and suddenly all those modal/nag screens disappear. This is hilarious and makes so much sense. God, the internet is broken

This should help:

https://sumtips.com/software/browsers/set-user-agent-on-a-pe...

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

#129

I'm glad we now have a name for this. If I may take a stab at a more formal, reusable definition of the Fuck You pattern: A UI pattern whereby content a user wants is provided, then yanked away before it can be consumed, to be replaced by a demand for something the site wants (log in, sign up, subscribe, pay, etc). It's distinct from merely providing a limited amount of content in the first place, as when a site offe…

Appwall? Subscribewall? Mailwall?

Re: The 'Fuck You' Pattern

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post #84

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Are you on Android? You have to tap search icon, then the search bar, after which the keyboard pops up then disappears, then tap the search bar again.

I’m on iOS so I don’t think that’s supposed to happen. Definitely wouldn’t be the first time Android gets the shaft in terms of app quality from large companies. Looking at you Google whose iOS apps are better than their Android apps for some reason.

Perhaps iOS doesn't allow it. It's a valuable "bug" for Instagram, so they have no incentive to fix it. Otherwise the app is relatively bug free, and this issue has existed for years, so I'm not giving them the benefit of the doubt. Facebook absolutely doesn't deserve it.
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