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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by whatthesmack »

bosswipe wrote: post #106
infamouscow wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like how every left-leaning media publication said the lab-leak hypothesis was debunked, even though there was not a shred of evidence to substantiate debunking?

If every single left-leaning media said the lab-leak hypothesis was debunked it should be easy for you to give me one citation.

It's harder since they've all gone back and stealth-edited their articles.

Here's one example from PaulG: https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1396769717805780994

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by whydoibother »

Fellshard wrote: post #114
whydoibother wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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This claim you're repeating is pure gaslighting. There are /some/ who will just yell CRT regarding anything, yes, but there are more who actually read and see what the formal academic theory is, and reject it on that basis. To claim it does not exist is an abject lie.

Define what CRT is please.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by BitwiseFool »

slg wrote: post #90
reedjosh wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at NASA Yup... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODfOvQ6FGXI

The message displayed at the end of that video: >At NASA, we're committed to making air, space, science and technology available for everyone because we know we're stronger and better together. It will always baffle me that people object to something as innocuous as that.

>"It will always baffle me that people object to something as innocuous as that. "

This is just basic framing. Every movement wants to cast itself with broad and unobjectionable ideals. The devil is in the details with how you go about making things 'better for everyone' and that's where the real disagreement is.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by wolverine876 »

> The aim of propaganda is to change minds via the use of emotion, misinformation, disinformation, truths, half-truths, and cleverly selected facts; not to enlighten (although one can technically propagandize true information, using emotion to sell truth, this generally isn’t what we are talking about when we use the term “propaganda”).

My understanding is that experts consider the aim of propaganda to be confusing and paralyzing the enemy, preventing effective communication, debate and decision-making.

For example, after 2016, the widespread, hyper-inflammatory trolling and attacks prevented the discussion of politics. Many forums I know, including HN to an extent, simply banned it. To this day, many issues are very difficult to discuss (e.g., Trump, racism, etc.); you can't share information, discuss things, because the discussions seem to blow up (and even mentioning that those issues exist might provoke something here - please don't). That's effective propaganda.

It's not clear to me that the author has real knowledge of propaganda beyond their own observations and theories. There is a lot of better research and knowledge out there.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by WalterBright »

DangitBobby wrote: post #89
ttt0 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to necessarily pick on the left here, but the most in-your-face example is all the so-called 'wokeness' in the media. This is a conscious effort to promote the 'inclusiveness' or however you want to phrase it. It's discussed openly how do you want people to react to what you publish. Have you ever considered that it might be your own personal biases that you don't see it?

How does one distinguish between propoganda and universally accepted truth? It's not propaganda that tomorrow is Wednesday. Basically everyone will tell you it is and want you to believe it is. Same with planetary roundness. Is that propaganda too? Let's say for the sake of argument, all of the ideals driving "wokeness" are actually rooted in the truth. Would it still be propaganda? How would you know?

> How does one distinguish between propoganda and universally accepted truth?

One tell is when they quote anonymous sources => propaganda. Another is using unconfirmed reports. Another is when the only source has a heavy incentive to misrepresent. Another is when the statistics make no sense, or do not support the thrust of the story.

It goes on and on.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by pacerwpg »

andyxor wrote: post #105

Outdated, the US Democrats raised the bar with their spectacular propaganda campaign leading to the 2020 elections.

I would say the alternate reality that the Republican Party is living in is the gold standard for propaganda.

That's not to say that Democrats don't use propaganda, but Democratic Party propaganda at least shares a reality with the rest of the country and world and isn't in the process of manufacturing an entirely different reality.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by temp8964 »

bosswipe wrote: post #99
nostromo wrote: post #19

There's a lot of good content in this article focused on the media. The media is highly visible and well-documented, so it makes sense. I'd like to see more content about indoctrination and propaganda happening in US education. This to me is much more insidious as it takes an impressionable populace (kids and young adults) and provides an authority figure (teachers and professors) that are largely hidden from public…

The bigger concern is that professional educators are being overruled by politicians about what is in the curriculum. Such as the recent wave of anti-Critical Race Theories laws being handed down because of a panic created by right-wing media.

No. The panic is not created by the media. I don't want my kids to be taught how White people are racists, or "people of color" are oppressed. Even I am not a White.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by ttctciyf »

It's a topic that's never been so relevant, IMO, because of the unprecedented scale at which the propaganda industries (AKA PR/"Think Tanks"/"Dark Money"/Outreach programs/"Strategic Communications", etc.) now operate.

For insight into how it works, I prefer the more systematic approach of "Propaganda Principles"[1] to the linked site, however.

https://propagandaprinciples.wordpress.com/propaganda-techni...

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by shuntress »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #107
shuntress wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be conflating "propaganda" with "opinion". And also conflating "propaganda techniques" with "communication". There is obviously some overlap. Propaganda is inherently opinionated and basic communication techniques used to convey any story of course also work with propaganda.

No, propaganda is weaponised rhetoric designed to obfuscate the truth while promoting compliant beliefs and expedient behaviours. This is not about differences of opinion. It's about whether the population is allowed to have an independent opinion at all. In the US it simply isn't. There's a gigantic shrieking fog-horn of pro-corporate anti-democratic extremism on one side, and a smaller but more shrill progressive a…

I agree with you that propaganda is weaponized rhetoric designed to obfuscate the truth while promoting specific beliefs and behaviors.

My point (in response to the parent comment stating that 90% of all "mainstream media" is propaganda) is that the assertion "90% of mainstream media is propaganda" seems to be stretching the definition of propaganda from the reasonable one which you have brought up to something more like "propaganda is rhetoric to promote beliefs".

To me, that original comment seems to be more similar to weaponized rhetoric (in this case, designed to promote the belief that "mainstream" media is untrustworthy) than to earnest communication or expression of opinion.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by reedjosh »

slg wrote: post #90
reedjosh wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> at NASA Yup... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODfOvQ6FGXI

The message displayed at the end of that video: >At NASA, we're committed to making air, space, science and technology available for everyone because we know we're stronger and better together. It will always baffle me that people object to something as innocuous as that.

> At NASA, we're on a mission of equity...

You did pick the more innocuous part. The opening is the above.

Equity is a word being used to mean equality of outcome. This is viewed as something deeply wrong from a libertarian perspective. The classic example is weighing down a strong person such that his natural strength isn't a true advantage.

It's cutting down the tall poppies, and it's asian student's needing better scores on entrance exams to get into Harvard.

Either way, it's a _very_ left word, and NASA is virtue signaling with this campaign.

Another example is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpJDnyZqfLw

CIA adverts promoting left values have been popping up recently. Many view this as a way the CIA wraps themselves in a cloak of protection that is the left siding with them.

The left should be the most critical of secret government operating bodies that do terrible things at home and abroad, but if the CIA can just align itself with them on trivial matters like DEI, then nobody bats an eye when regime changey things happen in Belarus.

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