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Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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I always wondered: what would it take me to fly in the cockpit? I'm not a pilot, but I'm willing to be subjected to any amount of security/background check that'll let me witness the machine in action, end-to-end.

I spent a good chunk of my early 20s commuting across the Atlantic. Before 9/11, all you had to do was ask a flight attendant and they'd go check with the pilots and bring you up a short while later. I used to do it most flights overnight from New York, it broke up the journey which was otherwise pretty miserable in coach. I remember the pilots being delighted to have me up there, really for them it's as boring as it is for us in the back I was someone new to talk to for a bit. I remember one time some Virgin Atlantic pilots were more excited about my colorful socks than I was about their new glass cockpit 747-400.

I was never turned down and always felt very welcome. At most I had to wait a bit until some turbulence passed.

It's sad that has gone and won't ever come back. I have kids now and they'd get a _huge_ kick out of an experience like that.

EDIT: you can however still pay for some hours in an airline training simulator. It's astonishingly close to the real thing and might scratch that itch for you. Some airlines offer it, other training companies do.

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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Probably because it is 10 year old older hardware but thoroughly tested. Using Chrome/JS/CSS on the latest Ryzen might be neat but when you need to transport 300 passengers daily around there is other sort of concerns then taking up 3 folks to the ISS every 6 months.

In an emergency situation, an unresponsive and unintuitive GUI may be very dangerous. Especially if pilots forget how to use it because they're using the iPad day to day but right now it's rebooting to install an update. Like, I get the argument for certification but maybe the requirements should have a minimum level of performance. If that's not possible maybe we should find a different equilibrium.

That's why pilot are mandated to do simulation tests every few months

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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Probably because it is 10 year old older hardware but thoroughly tested. Using Chrome/JS/CSS on the latest Ryzen might be neat but when you need to transport 300 passengers daily around there is other sort of concerns then taking up 3 folks to the ISS every 6 months.

spacex already disproved this myth have a look at the last manned mission they did. Glorious touch screen displays with all the bells and whistles.

SpaceX doesn't certify to FAA/EASA, and also doesn't have to work for 30 years.

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

#125

I always wondered: what would it take me to fly in the cockpit? I'm not a pilot, but I'm willing to be subjected to any amount of security/background check that'll let me witness the machine in action, end-to-end.

Time machine.

In the 70s if you were under 10 and crossing the Atlantic, the co-pilot would proactively invite you to the cockpit, show you everything, then give you a model toy plane and a lapel pin.

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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> unauthorized persons can not get there for reasons I will not show Not sure what else can be there, I mean it's already a critical infrastructure of the plane what we saw

Might be that you can't lift that hatch as the server room probably isn't pressurised.

The avionics bay ("server room") is pressurized. Just like the cargo area. The small hatch and door he went through don't hold any pressure.

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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post #124

I wish I did not see this video. Knowing that the plane I'm flying in relies on an actual server room is super scary...

Yeah, you'd think they'd have moved to the cloud by now.

How exactly do you think we get data to the cloud if not for airplanes with server rooms to take it there?

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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Why it is so big?

Replaceable, modular designs, space for modifications, etc. Also some sensors are pretty big (laser gyroscopes, for example which are part of ADIRU - air & intertial reference system. Then you have the central computer clusters which might be separated physically (several computers running in a setup somewhat similar to statically assigned kubernetes) which run all kinds of software from lights management through nav…

>(several computers running in a setup somewhat similar to statically assigned kubernetes)

This description of a server room makes me feel old.

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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Youtube interrupted the video with an ad for me exactly at that timestamp, airplanes still need to catch up. So much monetization left on the table. Pilots must be among the most valuable target audience.

Where's the commercial benefit though? The cost of certification is huge so upgrades after initial certification don't happen unless the tech has big cost benefit (or safety, which is also cost at second order). Hence A320 still running on Motorola 68000 of Sega Genesis etc fame. And 737max having a top panel from the 60s.

I thought you where joking about the Motorola 68000 in the A320, but nope, it’s part of the flight control system.

Re: Tour of the server room in the Airbus 350

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If you mean physically bigger than it is certainly true that avionics, like automative, uses larger components with higher ratings and avoids a lot of high pitch integrated circuits. This makes things easier test and likely to be more reliable. It also means you might have a single euro-card just to handle the input from a single airplane sensor even though in the non safety-critical world, we would easily mux them o…

Like in medical gear, avionics also has a lot of redundancy and "useless" circuitry to allow for assurances. I've opened some hardware designed for unsafe environments that was absolutely packed with fuses, for seemingly no purpose other than to assert that limits were being followed in the design. I don't imagine avionics is any different, but I've only seen the inside of 60s-70s aircraft gear.

I love the hardware/software analogy of a fuse to an assert statement; going to remember that while writing tests :)
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