But what's the situation for most people? Many people's personal messaging eco-system looks like this: - Out of use: AIM - Out of use: IRQ - Out of use: IRC - Insert your old messanger: here - Privacy nerds: Signal - Feature fans: Telegram - Lonely people: Tinder - Parents-Generation: WhatsApp / FaceBook / deprecated - Brick phones (the real privacy nerds): SMS or E-Mail - Ahead of time people: delta.chat - Grandpare…
Google’s Messaging Mess: A Timeline
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#122They forgot about Inbox! After following this nonsense product timeline for 16 years from the original Google Talk days, my last chat thread still using Hangouts moved to Facebook Messenger. chat.google.com is just aggressively worse in far too many ways, and will surely be killed circa 2024.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used Google Voice when they first acquired it - it was years early and really ahead of things back then. Texting from the web, voice transcription for messages, could ring multiple numbers. Then they did nothing with it for maybe seven years? MMS would silently fail so people inviting you to events via group chat or sending you a photo would just think you were ignoring them. Hangouts came and the mess with that an…
Google has the same problems Microsoft has always had. They have one huge cash cow that funds the entire company, and everything else is peripheral (a first world problem of course). Arguably MS now has more than one, but they've existed twice as long as Google and it's taken many decades to get to that point. It never really mattered if PlayForSure, Zune, Bing, Windows Phone etc were big successes or not, the compan…
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
I used Google Voice when they first acquired it - it was years early and really ahead of things back then. Texting from the web, voice transcription for messages, could ring multiple numbers. Then they did nothing with it for maybe seven years? MMS would silently fail so people inviting you to events via group chat or sending you a photo would just think you were ignoring them. Hangouts came and the mess with that an…
Google has the same problems Microsoft has always had. They have one huge cash cow that funds the entire company, and everything else is peripheral (a first world problem of course). Arguably MS now has more than one, but they've existed twice as long as Google and it's taken many decades to get to that point. It never really mattered if PlayForSure, Zune, Bing, Windows Phone etc were big successes or not, the compan…
Office, windows, Azure/development, Xbox/gaming are all integrated and cash cows.
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#126It hasn't been all that confusing to me. I was on Google Talk, then I switched to Hangouts, which I have been using with my family until about a month ago, we've since transitioned to the new Google Chat and it's been fine. I like that it works on every device just by logging in. I also use Signal if there's more confidential stuff I need to send. I haven't used SMS in years and I really hope they don't try to bake t…
> Nobody I know in Europe uses SMS, it's just for receiving codes and stuff. I still use SMS in the UK if I'm in an area with poor data connection. SMS will work over 2G even.
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#127A comment I don't see here yet is that this is to some extent a consequence of Google's business model. The assumption seems to be that a company should be wary about doing what they're doing, because they'll lose business. But Google's not directly selling these services, in most cases. I assume they're happy with the way they do things, which is try a bunch of stuff in a slightly chaotic but fairly nimble way, be h…
For consumers: sure. It's free, so expect nothing. But if I were an enterprise, I'd be super cautious to sign any contract with Google for any product. Who knows they'll cancel the product your business is built on, with 30 days warning. Can you imagine IBM / RedHat / Microsoft doing that? No. Can you imagine Google doing it?
Of course that's the free version, but still.
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#128> June 2021: Google releases Google Chat to all customers and announces that “Rooms” will become “Spaces.” I still see "Rooms" in my Gmail window.
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#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Maps was entirely rewritten > Gmail had the entire backend rewritten > Docs was completely rewritten > Spreadsheets was rewritten twice I think I’m starting to understand why these products very rarely receive new features, which I believe is the point di4na was making.
All these products have improved incrementally, adding new features in an unobtrusive way. Which is from my perspective as a user how it should be done. I was just yesterday building spreadsheets and charting from hundreds of thousands of rows of data, something you couldn't do with sheets a few years ago, it just crumbled under the load. Usually when I look up a way to do something, Sheets and Excel are feature pari…
Sure, but there’s unobtrusive, and then there’s completely imperceptible. Where are these new features? I can’t think of anything that’s been added to Google Docs in years.
I often get stuck trying to do something and search for “How to do X in Google Docs”, only to discover that they haven’t gotten around to implementing something super basic.
Like placeholders in template documents. You can create a template document in Google Docs, but as far as I can tell, it’s just a normal document with a different way to make a copy of it. You can’t set up placeholders! Surely that’s the whole point of template documents‽ It feels like an intern had a passing interest in implementing templates then left before they finished. And then nobody was interested in working on it for years afterwards.
Out of interest, I searched for a changelog and found this:
https://support.google.com/docs/answer/9228272
Does this seem like anything other than a mothballed project to you? This is meant to be a flagship product from a giant company, and they were barely scraping together one tiny feature per month until September 2020, then lost interest and managed just one single new feature in the nine months since then. And you still can’t do super basic things with it.
But hey, at least they found the time to completely rewrite the UI layer, right? You don’t see how this appears to be a team who feels zero market pressure treating it like a retirement hobby rather than a job, right?
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
All these products have improved incrementally, adding new features in an unobtrusive way. Which is from my perspective as a user how it should be done. I was just yesterday building spreadsheets and charting from hundreds of thousands of rows of data, something you couldn't do with sheets a few years ago, it just crumbled under the load. Usually when I look up a way to do something, Sheets and Excel are feature pari…
> All these products have improved incrementally, adding new features in an unobtrusive way. Sure, but there’s unobtrusive , and then there’s completely imperceptible . Where are these new features? I can’t think of anything that’s been added to Google Docs in years. I often get stuck trying to do something and search for “How to do X in Google Docs”, only to discover that they haven’t gotten around to implementing s…
Docs is at the heart of the business suite and it lacks so many basic things, it drags down the entire suite offer.