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What it's like to be cancelled

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Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by overgard »

prepend wrote: post #11

I think the biggest problem with Twitter is that we can’t determine a denominator. Twitter knows, but we don’t know. 100 people tweeting about how this guy is bad might be indicative of a general consensus or might just be 100 people out of a billion Twitter users. People then interpret it as general consensus and pile on. We know the numerator but since we don’t know the denominator of people who didn’t comment, or…

That may be a problem, but fixing it is just giving a credit score to rumor mongering. I think believing every accusation before any evidence is given is the main cultural problem.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by fration »

LegitShady wrote: post #109
fration wrote: post #58

You did not get cancelled for questionable comments online, or wrongthink, or whatever. You got burned for being a sexual predator. Stop making posts about it online, stop downplaying what you did by saying "I was a different person". Learn to live with the consequences of your actions.

define sexual predator

Those are his own words.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by TX0098812 »

cyberge99 wrote: post #70
theossuary wrote: post #4

Twitter is vile. I thought that the day the company started, and never created an account; nothing good can come from a platform like Twitter. It's a failure of our laws that there's no recourse to this kind of libel, either against Twitter for basing their business model on it, or the individuals responsible for spreading it. Lives are consistently destroyed and everyone just shrugs their shoulders and goes "aw-shuc…

Who are “our laws”? Twitter is a global corporation.

It's based in the US in California and is dominated by an English speaking crowd from the US who reflect the values where they come from.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by daenz »

thebooktocome wrote: post #16
theossuary wrote: post #4

Twitter is vile. I thought that the day the company started, and never created an account; nothing good can come from a platform like Twitter. It's a failure of our laws that there's no recourse to this kind of libel, either against Twitter for basing their business model on it, or the individuals responsible for spreading it. Lives are consistently destroyed and everyone just shrugs their shoulders and goes "aw-shuc…

I didn't see any libel mentioned in the article. The author seems not to dispute the claims made against him.

People should take note of the parent post's behavior. It is exactly this careless misinterpretation and willful ignorance, amplified through a community, which causes toxic dogpiling.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by avs733 »

noahbradley wrote: post #21
shadeslayer_ wrote: post #6

I'm a bit sceptical about this because it talks very little about what happened that caused OP to get "cancelled", and an awful lot about how they came back from it. I do understand, first-hand, the trauma that comes from being cancelled (although I have like 1500 followers on Twitter so you could argue the stakes are less) and there's no doubt that it is a bitch. But there is something to take away from it - or at l…

Fair point! I guess I was writing this to people who have already heard the story. But I do get into what happened and why it happened in the podcast I recorded, if you're genuinely interested (and have some time to spare). Put simply, there's a lot to cover here. There's a lot of history, context, perspective, etc. and covering it all would take, well, probably a book. I couldn't get it all in this article, but mayb…

this is typical of people self-labeling as, and seeking pity for, being 'cancelled' in my experience...

What happened is quickly glossed over in vague terms with a half hearted apology and treated as a mere unimportant sideshow to the real problem: I faced consequences. Ignoring the pushback or saying 'well I could have provided more detail about what I learned as a person' isn't actually explaining what you did wrong. There is a big gap between 'acting like an asshole' (to use your language) and 'being a sexual predator' (to use another headline). Those details matter - because they frame the rest of the description of what happened. It's the head nod to 'I'm sorry if anyone was offended' so we can get to the real topic...

The real topic is claiming victimhood when the consequences of one's behavior come out. No challenge of facts, of what others are saying, simply an acclimation that you are put upon based on your evaluation of the consequences. By bypassing all of that, you are starting from the idea that you (and your wife) are really the victim here and building that narrative very intentionally. These types of articles are basically an argument by assertion that accountability is not important.

Cancel culture is not real - the term 'cancel culture' is an attempt to recuperate[0] the language of equal rights and justice to protect people from the consequences of their actions. You're sitting here writing a blog post about this. It's on the front page of HN, you posted about it on your twitter. Please...

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recuperation_(politics)

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by commandlinefan »

laurent123456 wrote: post #100

It seems it's better to stay away entirely from certain sensitive topics. No matter your intentions, no matter what you actually think, it just takes a bit of misunderstanding or bad faith and the whole thing explode.

> better to stay away entirely from certain sensitive topics

Yeah... but the world would be a better place if we didn't have to.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by shadowgovt »

daenz wrote: post #43

I just assume at some point in my life, if I achieve my dreams, I'm going to get cancelled. If you have big aspirations, you should assume this too. Start preparing mentally for it.

The best approach I can suggest is "If you're going to get cancelled, get cancelled for something you really believe in, not some shitty thing you tripped and fell into."

In short, don't have the crowd be the first thing that tells you you're someone you don't want to be.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by bigbillheck »

noahbradley wrote: post #93
bigbillheck wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I heard it from the original claim: "Remember the bald headed crusty assed "well known" artist who went around groping female devs, and ended up having his face bit after trying to pour drinks down the throat of a girl whose already very intoxicated at the Massive Black workshop after party ?" ( https://twitter.com/BettyDesuJiang/status/127450059571858227... )

Nope, not true and a gross distortion of what happened that night.

Does what happened fall into any of the categories of 'preying on women', 'ceaselessly hitting on women', or 'pressuring women into sex'?

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by paulpauper »

legitster wrote: post #65

Honestly, the biggest mistake people make is issuing public apologies. So far, we have very few examples of them actually working. On the contrary, any amount of admission seems to show weakness. The "controversy" around Lin-Manuel Miranda seems to have come nearly entirely from his apology to a very small group of disappointed fans. There are even more examples of very publicly terrible people who have skirted worse…

Doing or saying nothing only helps if you're innocent until proven guilty. An apology just helps to clarify the situation once the issue cannot be ignored. It will not make the mobs change their minds.

Re: What it's like to be cancelled

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Post by bigbillheck »

nkohari wrote: post #111
bigbillheck wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually while you're responding here, can you verify that you had these '48 laws of power' as your desktop? https://twitter.com/arvalis/status/1274765367957573632/photo...

Did you read the original article? This is covered.

I did miss that, there was only so much self-pity I could take.
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