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The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by smoldesu »

machello13 wrote: post #94
ecshafer wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is honestly an absurd proposition. A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. Video editing is something you want power, and a lot of screen real estate, and a good form factor. Even with the GPU shortage, you can buy an extremely powerful, capable, video editing desktop with two large 27" monitors for $1k. Even before you consider limitations in sandboxing, multi-application usage, an…

> A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. The 2TB memory is accounting for like half the cost there. You can get a model with less built-in memory and just use an external drive and the price drops down to like $1400.

Or Apple could stop ripping off their customers and we could just be comfortable paying them a reasonable amount of money for a reasonable amount of storage.

Is that too much to ask?

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by samatman »

ecshafer wrote: post #85
samatman wrote: post #68

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A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

This is honestly an absurd proposition. A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. Video editing is something you want power, and a lot of screen real estate, and a good form factor. Even with the GPU shortage, you can buy an extremely powerful, capable, video editing desktop with two large 27" monitors for $1k. Even before you consider limitations in sandboxing, multi-application usage, an…

There's nothing absurd about it, you're just looking for something to get mad about.

Your reference to the so-called Apple Tax makes that perfectly clear.

What I actually said is that I, personally, find it fabulous for video editing. I made it clear that I'm an amateur who doesn't make heavy use of any advanced features, and furthermore said that I'm sure that the daughter made the right choice for her.

You blew into my mentions getting mad about price tags, which I never mentioned. Your assertion that someone can get better performance than the M1 for $1K including two large monitors (high DPI?) is something I'd need to see backed up, because quite frankly I don't believe you.

The one thing I'm quite confident of is that the iPad is superior for drawing to a PC and Wacom tablet, because I've used both. I'm quite confident from your pugnacious and unpleasant reply that you haven't used an iPad for either video editing or drawing.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by smoldesu »

mkl95 wrote: post #27

My desktop computer -which doubles as my workstation- is going to be 10 years old soon. The replacements during these years make it a beast to this day, it beats a $5000 Macbook Pro into a pulp for a fraction of the price. I'm not considering ditching it for now.

I built an $800 budget PC 7 years ago, it beats my M1 Macbook Air in Blender renders by about 20%

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by mkaic »

asperous wrote: post #18

For the average person this might be kind true, however I can think of at least three places where desktop computers are very much cultural and symbolic: * “Gamers” or other enthusiasts with their battlestations [1] * Finace workstations with many monitors and Bloomberg terminals [2] * Potentially musician workstations as well [3] Any other niche ideas? [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/battlestations/ [2] https://images.…

I'm a filmmaker and visual effects artist who works with ray tracing rendering a lot, I'd say we're definitely a significant niche! Recently bought myself a new rig so I could render things 10x faster, totally worth it.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by simonh »

jessaustin wrote: post #101
machello13 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. The 2TB memory is accounting for like half the cost there. You can get a model with less built-in memory and just use an external drive and the price drops down to like $1400.

Lots of tasks don't benefit from ridiculous amounts of memory, but editing video does.

Thats actually storage, not RAM.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by samatman »

jessaustin wrote: post #101
machello13 wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A 13 inch screen Ipad pro with a keyboard and 2TB of memory is $2500. The 2TB memory is accounting for like half the cost there. You can get a model with less built-in memory and just use an external drive and the price drops down to like $1400.

Lots of tasks don't benefit from ridiculous amounts of memory, but editing video does.

I'm sure this is true.

I haven't found 256GB to be much of a limit in editing video, and I do shoot 4K. But I've only really worked with a couple hours of footage at a time, and I'm comfortable with keeping my "b roll" on my NAS. 512GB would probably be a better buy.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by simonh »

smoldesu wrote: post #118
samatman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

The iPad Pro is a device that definitely can edit video, but I really only use it as a last resort. For me it has never been a question of power, but a question of comfort: the M1 could be the fastest CPU in the world, but what do I care when I can't run 32 bit software on it! And then there's the ergonomics... unless you're using a mouse/keyboard with the iPad, it's an insufferable experience: even then, it's not a…

What’s wrong with 64 bit software?

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by samatman »

sithadmin wrote: post #97
samatman wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing. I haven't hooked it up to a keyboard/mouse combo, or plugged it into a monitor, but it's quite capable of both of those things. I can tell you it's simply superior to a Wacom tablet for drawing, there I have a direct comparison. A PC/desktop will certainly exceed an iPad at some level: but now that the Pro model has an M1, it's unclear at what l…

As someone with formal training and experience in video production with Final Cut Pro and Premiere...I find editing on iPad to be an utterly infuriating experience. I gave it a sincere try, but the UX is so utterly subpar that it's simply not worth the time or effort anymore. The file management on iOS is atrocious: support by various editing apps is questionable at best, and even if it wasn't, it's incredibly slow.…

Editing video on the iPad is, it pains me to say, "disruptive".

I believe you when you say it's infuriating to someone with formal training, used to the professional tools. I wouldn't know, this is how I've taught myself to edit video.

It's inferior and the software is cheaper. The hardware isn't necessarily, but it sure is if you own an iPad and don't have a dedicated machine for editing video.

And the experience is steadily improving, and at some point it might well "worse is better" the specialized hardware and expensive software which is the industry standard.

Or it might not. Time alone will tell.

It's worth pointing out that the current iPad Pro also has an M1, so the choice between an MBA and an iPad Pro is much less clear along that dimension.

Re: The home computer as a cultural object is physically vanishing (2007)

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Post by bluescrn »

machello13 wrote: post #95
bluescrn wrote: post #81

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> A tangent, but I've found the iPad Pro to be fabulous for video editing Doesn't the sandboxing and limited access to the file system get in the way? Can you export video to non-Apple formats, collaborate with other people via a version control system, easily import footage from non-Apple devices, and so on? Can you even cleanly separate your video editing project from your personal holiday photos/videos? (Does iPad…

Have you ever used an iPad? I get the feeling you don't really know how it actually works.

Haven't used one since the iOS/iPadOS split, so honestly don't know how much more flexible they've become.

More familiar with iOS on iPhones though, but can't see how I'd do 'serious creative work' - which usually ends up involving large numbers of files that need keeping organised - on an OS that's traditionally tried so hard to hide the underlying file system from the end user.

And I've never tried connecting a camera or video capture device directly to an iOS device, so not sure what is or isn't possible in that area.

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