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MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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I don't understand why you are getting downvoted. When people say they support "Law and order" they are not talking about all crime—they are not referring to fraud or market manipulation for example (white collar crime). They are referring to enforcing laws on just a certain subset of society.

> They are referring to enforcing laws on just a certain subset of society. Or enforcing a certain subset of laws on all society. And it's not just the "bigbiz-friendly" reds, it's also the blues with their "lets not punish non-violent crime". The fact is laws in the US (and elsewhere) are written, but unevenly enforced, as such what remains is quibbling over priority. I want to see more punishments for white collar…

The difference being "the blues" have never pretended to be the party of law and order.

Because, as you noted, the "bigbiz-friendly reds" do not actually support law and order either, the term "law and order" is in reality a dogwhistle.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_whistle_(politics)

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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I signed up for Moviepass the month they came out. Canceled the month they started to have blackouts. Great deal, would do again if any VC wants to try again for the goodness of the movie industry.

AMC has a similar program. It's not as good, but if you like movies and have the time, it's still a good deal.

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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Unpopular opinion, but MoviePass could have survived a lot longer if they had more funding. I think there could have been a real opportunity with establishing themselves the main funnel to getting consumers to physical theaters. They couldn't hold on long enough to see what could be possible with such a moat.

I think their main mistake was antagonizing the big theater chains. They should've had their hand outstretched to the chains, consistently, from the very beginning. The (probably smaller) chains that play ball and negotiate selling cheaper tickets to moviepass get rewarded with more foot traffic, the chains that don't play ball get punished in small ways. By gently and gradually steering traffic away from AMC, they w…

How is buying millions of tickets "antagonizing"? And what intelligent company turns down a 5-million ticket order - at full price! - from a single customer in favor of selling 3 million tickets one-by-one?

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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Thanks for the free tickets! Just curious, what was your motivation for investing so heavily if you knew the business model was dumb?

For the bragging rights. It was already about to be delisted and I think it was sub $1/share. So I looked up how much I'd need to own to match the largest individual investor, and decided. I could have invested the paltry amount (I actually cannot remember how much, but it was I only held for a couple of days, before selling it at a ~70% loss - or vanguard liquidating when it delisted - I cannot remember now. But it…

Haha is "the office" WallSteetBets?

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

#125

Unpopular opinion, but MoviePass could have survived a lot longer if they had more funding. I think there could have been a real opportunity with establishing themselves the main funnel to getting consumers to physical theaters. They couldn't hold on long enough to see what could be possible with such a moat.

Sure, but any business can survive indefinitely if they're given unlimited funding with no expectation of returns. In your opinion, what's the point of being the main funnel to theaters if you're losing money hand over fist to do so? What was the plan for profitability? Was the goal to somehow strong arm movie theaters into discounted pricing? Why would theaters agree to that when there's no benefit for them to do so…

> The only way their business model can work is if the majority of customers sign up and never use it, which is a very weird thing for a business to depend on, IMO.

This is basically how gyms are profitable.

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think their main mistake was antagonizing the big theater chains. They should've had their hand outstretched to the chains, consistently, from the very beginning. The (probably smaller) chains that play ball and negotiate selling cheaper tickets to moviepass get rewarded with more foot traffic, the chains that don't play ball get punished in small ways. By gently and gradually steering traffic away from AMC, they w…

How is buying millions of tickets "antagonizing"? And what intelligent company turns down a 5-million ticket order - at full price! - from a single customer in favor of selling 3 million tickets one-by-one?

I was referring to the statements they made intentionally taunting AMC. That's not how you get people to come to the negotiating table.

AMC absolutely did the right thing: they kept their mouth shut, collected the money, waited for MoviePass to fizzle out, then launched their own (presumably profitable) subscription service.

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

For the bragging rights. It was already about to be delisted and I think it was sub $1/share. So I looked up how much I'd need to own to match the largest individual investor, and decided. I could have invested the paltry amount (I actually cannot remember how much, but it was I only held for a couple of days, before selling it at a ~70% loss - or vanguard liquidating when it delisted - I cannot remember now. But it…

Haha is "the office" WallSteetBets?

I had never even used reddit before just a few months ago, so no, it was an actual office lol.

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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If corps are people, maybe they should receive jail sentences as such - and then their executives & beneficial owners can carry them out based on liability. A CEO that takes full control and makes a one-man-shop would therefore be fully liable for any sentence received, and can only avoid this be sharing control.

So if I were to own 1 share of $AMZN, I’d be criminally liable for anything the corporation does? Would I do 10 minutes in jail or something?

Did you perform or direct someone to commit an illegal act?

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

#129

Unpopular opinion, but MoviePass could have survived a lot longer if they had more funding. I think there could have been a real opportunity with establishing themselves the main funnel to getting consumers to physical theaters. They couldn't hold on long enough to see what could be possible with such a moat.

Sure, but any business can survive indefinitely if they're given unlimited funding with no expectation of returns. In your opinion, what's the point of being the main funnel to theaters if you're losing money hand over fist to do so? What was the plan for profitability? Was the goal to somehow strong arm movie theaters into discounted pricing? Why would theaters agree to that when there's no benefit for them to do so…

Gym membership.

> no benefit

Movie theater attendance has been dropping steadily. Theaters, especially today's multi-plexes, are vast wastelands of empty seats the majority of the time. There absolutely is a benefit to them selling more tickets at off-peak times, or to not-so-hot films, or just as an incentive to sell popcorn. Keep in mind all this extra volume would cost theaters ZERO in additional marketing expense.

Re: MoviePass settles FTC allegations that they limited usage, exposed user data

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post #60

I signed up for Moviepass the month they came out. Canceled the month they started to have blackouts. Great deal, would do again if any VC wants to try again for the goodness of the movie industry.

I believe the first blackout was during the release of 'It'.

Of course they never called it a blackout... they just always seemed to experience technical issues... and always on Friday or Saturday... on always on a Friday or Saturday when a popular movie was being released. What a coincidence!

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