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DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

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There are more technical details in the linked affidavit (page 6 and 7): https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1402056/downl... They kept following transactions on the blockchain, but it's not clear how the private key became in the posession of the FBI.

The Laywer did a great job explaining Bitcoin.

Can anyone here (hn) add anything?

It seems like steps in the investigation, or process to identifying the bad guys were left out.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#122
post #93

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The warrant does not imply that the coins were on an exchange. The warrant only indicates that they needed legal authority to seize coins, wherever they are. It seem more likely that the FBI/NSA had and gained some access to the gang's infrastructure and seized the money. Transmitting ransom money to an exchange without any type of tumbler or atomic swapping, that it's not a realistic scenario. Maybe they tried to us…

Why not? Why would you assume an attacker uses all of the best cloaking tactics? This doesn't seem like a complex attack at all: monitor common 0 day vuln feeds, attack, install off the shelf ransomware sold by 5$. It might as well have been a script kiddie.

That’s my prediction: these guys are like bike thieves who found out the hard way that they just stole a bike belonging to the police chief and so it’s actually being investigated rather than written off. I don’t think they were remotely prepared for this level of scrutiny.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#123
post #39

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As someone who has been on the receiving end of federal seizure orders for cryptocurrency private keys, they were in my case satisfied by publishing a transfer (signature) to a USG address, not actual disclosure of private key material, despite that being explicitly stated in the order.

This indicates a level of US Fed LEO technical sophistication I’m somewhat pleased to hear exists.

More likely their work with an outside consultant/firm.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#125
post #102

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I'm guessing the rest was fees/etc coming out of the crypto tumblers they used?

They didn't use any tumblers, that's how they got caught. edit: it says so in the article: As alleged in the supporting affidavit, by reviewing the Bitcoin public ledger, law enforcement was able to track multiple transfers of bitcoin and identify that approximately 63.7 bitcoins, representing the proceeds of the victim’s ransom payment, had been transferred to a specific address

I think tumblers can be traced if they are backfired or monitored. Though perhaps that requires more assumptions than the fact that they were incompetent and didn’t use any.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#126
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has been on the receiving end of federal seizure orders for cryptocurrency private keys, they were in my case satisfied by publishing a transfer (signature) to a USG address, not actual disclosure of private key material, despite that being explicitly stated in the order.

This indicates a level of US Fed LEO technical sophistication I’m somewhat pleased to hear exists.

I have heard that they have been developing an in-house technical capability and department for this since at least the time period of the Ulbrich arrest and the "first" Silk Road.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#127
post #111

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They send it to another wallet/account that they control. Not hard to understand.

And if they don't send? With electronically stored fiat, the feds can just ask the bank to give them the money right out of their account, and I'm sure the banks would cooperate. With paper cash they can just hold their arm while the SWAT team go on a rampage through their bedsheets for the cash. What does one do for Bitcoin, short of a hard fork?

Maybe they go through their bedsheets looking for the passphrase written on a sticky note? I'm sure US intelligence can be quite persuasive.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#128
post #100

Plausible theory on how they did this here: https://twitter.com/brucedkleinman/status/140204474591697305... tl;dr: The hackers used the same full node wallet more than once, and the FBI was able to narrow in on an IP address because the first relay of the transactions was the same across multiple transactions. This server was in California, which allowed the FBI to seize it.

The warrant isn't proof that the server was in California. That's simply where the FBI field office that is going to access the bitcoin address is based out of.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#129
post #41

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You find it improbable that geopolitical enemies tend to be the ones that attack us? Feels like saying "I find it weird that people I insult disproportionately punch me in the face".

I think you are assigning too much “us vs them” to the ransomware marketplace. With ransomware criminals, “us” is the attacker, and “them” is everyone with a computer who might pay. Political boundaries don’t factor in to it at all. It is by nature an anonymous attack, hence the term “ransom”. It is strange to me that almost all high-profile ransomware attacks that have been publicized in the US are claimed by the FB…

That might be easier to believe if these ransomware strains didn't do things like automatically disable themselves on computers with Russian language support installed.

Re: DOJ seizes $2.3M in cryptocurrency paid to the ransomware extortionists Darkside

#130
post #119

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In crypto „seizing” means getting access to the wallet and sending funds to the one that gov’t has under it’s sole control

How do they get access to the wallet, assuming the dude won't tell them? With fiat they can do it with force, that's the difference. If the dude won't tell them they have no way to get access to it, other than the $5 wrench.

If the key is solely located only in the hacker's brain, yes it is out of their reach. Usually, however, if you gain access to the hacker's comp, they'll have it written down somewhere.
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