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Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by bombcar »

dan-robertson wrote: post #83
microtonal wrote: post #43

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The Dutch artificial island 'Flevopolder' is ~970 square km. So, I wouldn't say giant when there is an artificial island that has a 373x larger surface area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flevopolder It is still a very nice project nonetheless!

But that’s a polder made mostly by building dykes and draining the land rather than raising up the ground level across 970 square km. Flevopolder is about 4m below sea level. I think the plan here is different and will not be done by building up dykes and draining the area inside.

Yeah replacing water with air is a big project but replacing water and air with land is bigger.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by mech422 »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #77
jltsiren wrote: post #13

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Someone born in the late 1990s might expect to retire around 2070. Given the population structure in wealthy countries, early retirement at 65 is no longer feasible for most people in the younger generations.

People from my mother's generation often started working when they were just 16. So when I see someone talking about them retiring at 65 it's important to keep that in mind.

I was actually working 30+ hours/week from 12-13 years old, and I'm GenX. We're slated to retire at 67.

P.S. - I was doing data entry for local real estate companies and simple BASIC 'cash register' setups for local businesses.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by shoto_io »

guerrilla wrote: post #97
shoto_io wrote: post #53

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I think that’s about the time that interplanetary space travel starts in Star Trek. I always thought that’s way too early and the whole time should be starting 1,000 years later.

Seems like Blade Runner did even worse.

Indeed. I don’t get it though. Why not push every timeline out by a safety margin of hundreds/thousand years?

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by dane-pgp »

shoto_io wrote: post #123
guerrilla wrote: post #97

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Seems like Blade Runner did even worse.

Indeed. I don’t get it though. Why not push every timeline out by a safety margin of hundreds/thousand years?

Personally I would have a hard time suspending disbelief if a story set in 2200 didn't have super-human AI and all diseases cured. Similarly there should be no pollution or over-population, at least in first world countries.

For humanity to avoid achieving those things, there would have to be some significant barriers to progress that we don't know about yet, or a fairly disastrous collapse, which would limit the possible stories that could be told.

I suppose that setting a story thousands of years into the future allows there to have been multiple collapses and renaissances, but I'm not convinced that such a path is as likely as a permanent collapse or reaching some sort of uninterruptible paradise state.

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Post by nealabq »

cozzyd wrote: post #55
keiferski wrote: post #33

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Not quite the same, as it’s already completed, but John Malkovich made a film with Robert Rodriguez that won’t be released until 2115. 100 Years is an upcoming experimental science fiction film written by John Malkovich and directed by Robert Rodriguez. Advertised in 2015 with the tagline "The Movie You Will Never See", it is due to be released on November 18, 2115. The 100-year span matches the time it takes for a b…

yeah, I bet their safe software fails in 2038.

On Jan 19. At 03:14:07 UTC.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by OldHand2018 »

bertil wrote: post #115
ekianjo wrote: post #76

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Kobe in Japan has several artificial islands. all built by a Dutch company.

I used to work with Dutch people who like to tell that “God made the world, the Dutch made the Netherlands.” I corrected them, saying they made a lot more than that: I grew up on an island in France that was under the control of Dutch merchants in the XVIIth century; they built a levy to double the amount of dry land. There’s polders like that everywhere. The levy has been fine for the last four centuries, but local…

> they built a levy to double the amount of dry land

In English, the word you are trying to use is levee. As a French, you might recognize where that came from ;)

Actually though, at least in the US we call those things the Dutch built “dikes”, which is, not surprisingly, just the anglicized version of what the Dutch call them.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by OldHand2018 »

ajmurmann wrote: post #104
lazyjones wrote: post #86

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China buit several artificial islands in just a few years - and not near shores (but some on reefs). https://southfront.org/chinas-artificial-islands-south-china... It can be done faster if enough resources are allocated... Denmark doesn't seem to be in a hurry.

Might sustainability and geological context play a role? I thought the the Chinese islands were build on coral reefs and existing small islands. I also wonder about differences in currents and even requirements based on future use. A small military base to extend your empire probably needs to be less stable than a place you want to build a city on that should last forever. Comparison to the Palm and World islands in…

Projects like this usually have multiple goals, not least of which is to guarantee a baseline number of jobs with a desirable skill set within the country. Out of the tens of thousands of people that will work on this project, most likely fewer than 100 will work on it from the start of their career to the end. For the rest, it will be a year or two of their entire career.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by closeparen »

perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

Not as long, but Sound Transit 3 had a 25-year time horizon, from 2016 to 2041. Most of the voters who considered it would be retired before the 60th mile of light rail could affect their own commutes. It's similar in terms of building something that will primarily be used by a later generation.
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