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Firefox Release 89.0

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Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by dralley »

aschampion wrote: post #79
csmpltn wrote: post #24

> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

The UX community seems to value rather than avoid breaking changes, and it's infuriating. Novelty and surprise are rarely usability virtues.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it."

I guess it's unsurprising that UX designers would want to continue having work to do.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by conradfr »

fsflover wrote: post #70
Torwald wrote: post #19

Still can't use it. The tabs have the close button on the wrong side, for me as a Mac user. And yes, this is a serious issue. So far Opera and Vivaldi got it right. Brave and Firefox lack behind here.

Why do you even need the close buttons on tabs? I close them with the middle click.

On a Mac ?

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by twobitshifter »

Vinnl wrote: post #37
kevincox wrote: post #10

Does anyone feel that this new UI brings notable improvement? I don't think it is much worse, other than taking some extra vertical space but for the most part my reaction is "meh". I feel like these resources could have been spent much better in other parts of the browser. Am I missing some reason why this is worth the investment?

There's more info on tabs now, e.g. when a tab is playing audio. And it apparently was also triggered by observing that people didn't really know they could move tabs around and manipulate them in other ways, which does seem more obvious now that they're "detached" from the content. That said, I won't really notice since I use the Sidebery extension for vertical tabs. But I've got a separate profile running to isolat…

With the disconnect from the page, they’re not really “tabs” anymore at all, and haven’t been on mobile for a while. The tab bar is now a dock/task bar/window manager.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by dbg31415 »

Still no fix for the massive energy waste on Mac? Oof.

Stream a call through Firefox vs Safari and it uses literally 40x the energy. And turns your MBP into a toaster.

Been over a year, we all live on streaming calls, shame they haven't addressed this.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by ironMonkey »

I update and the Mac's native sharing is gone. Wondering if the company employs product managers responsible for Mac features (i know it's complex to handle various capabilities for different OS versions) because i assume a storm of negative feedback is coming.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by SSLy »

dTal wrote: post #50
konart wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/ as an alternative.

Interesting. How is it better?

Also an user of Sideberry, from my experience it just works a little bit better than TST.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by kevincox »

pseudalopex wrote: post #109
kevincox wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be perfectly blunt it doesn't matter what a team is doing. They paid $X million to "design resources" and directed those resources at the redesign featured in this release. Instead they could have paid that to backend, other UX initiatives, the extension team, the privacy team... I understand that you can't swing resources around freely in the short term but you don't have a bunch of designers sitting around by ac…

You're right the money could be spent elsewhere. But calling people resources is rude to put it mildly.

I said I was being blunt in the prefix.

I definitely agree that we need to think about people, that was a large component of "you can't swing resources around freely". Firing people is not something that I would like to see. The point I was trying to emphasize is that it isn't as if Mozilla just happened to have X people with design skills and Y people with whatever other skills. There was planning to build the teams and planning to pick the projects. So while I agree that you can't just put people on random projects I wanted to point out that Mozilla had a lot of agency in the decisions that lead up to a team working on the redesign, it didn't happen just because they happened to have a bunch of designers available.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by anonymousab »

matsemann wrote: post #90
csmpltn wrote: post #24

> "We’ve redesigned and modernized the core experience to be cleaner, more inviting, and easier to use." Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? I find myself having to re-adjust every time a new update is shipped. What's wrong with having a consistent experience that survives for more than 6 months? It's just a URL bar, and a bunch of tabs. Just leave it be already.

> Why does the UI change with every single Firefox release? It doesn't. Maybe small parts of it get tweaks here and there. But your argument about having to re-adjust every update is just dishonest.

If you use niche or power user features frequently, then it can feel like almost every single update is reworking or removing a feature you depend on.

Firefox updates are a constant stream of "1% of users use this feature so it's fine to do X to it" but it turns out that a lot of people fall into a lot of those small buckets at once.

Re: Firefox Release 89.0

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Post by dbg31415 »

chrnad wrote: post #76
kevincox wrote: post #10

Does anyone feel that this new UI brings notable improvement? I don't think it is much worse, other than taking some extra vertical space but for the most part my reaction is "meh". I feel like these resources could have been spent much better in other parts of the browser. Am I missing some reason why this is worth the investment?

I personally think it's a big improvement over what it was before -- on macOS at least. On macOS, Firefox had always felt a little bit off. Nothing too egregious, but just enough to make it slightly unpleasant (like the non-native context menus). I feel like that has been resolved in this update.

Try streaming a call on MacOS... you'll feel a bit off.

40x the energy usage vs Safari. It's atrocious. Laptop gets to silly high temps, has to be bad for battery life... But I'm sure glad we have some new popup confirmation windows. Cool.

EDIT: I use FF on my Mac as my primary browser. Just so frustrated at how little fucks they give about performance and battery usage.

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