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Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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Seriously, what are they? Every time I get pointed at an app, I can only think of https://xkcd.com/1174/

A few out of my head: 1) Shortcut on the homescreen by simply tapping 1 button(install) instead of hoping that the user will somehow remember you. WebApp shortcuts are quite involved. 2) Sign in once with a forever session. I hate apps where I need to sign in again because having an App is a great opportunity to have one time sign in that runs through generations of phone upgrades. Even better, the sign in doesn't ha…

6) notifications.

Though, (1) is wrong on iPhone; there’s an “add to home screen” action in the share menu.

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Whenever I read articles like this, I get more and more horrified. I mean, I know that adtech spy on us a lot, but I didn't knew for example that using Bluetooth while the app is shut down was possible. Makes me very wary even of dumbphones, for example I bought a dumbphone recently, and yet it came with Facebook and Google Assistant both pre-installed.

*know

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So we basically are seeing that google was "right" from their point of view in securing a mobile OS. Facebook maybe thought this day would never arrive and could have avoided that by doing their own mobile OS too. Well, maybe they declared this battle as lost and focused on the next one: VR. Problem is that VR took too long to arrive and death on mobile can kill Facebook?

"Kill facebook" might be a tad hyperbolic for a company which basically prints money. "Facebook might be forced to get a haircut on mobile revenue" might be more accurate

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> the user can breathe a sigh of relief as their location cannot be shared with nearby devices unless the app explicitly states it — which most users will unanimously deny. If Facebook simply have their app say it won't work without accepting this, then I very, very much doubt that anything but a miniscule number of people would be uninstalling the app.

Under GDPR they cannot do this in Europe. You're only allowed to deny the user the experience of the app if the basic service cannot be met without collecting the user's data (i.e. location data for a turn-by-turn direction app)

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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They've also taken a hardline stance against right to repair, which is a deal breaker for a lot of HN. Unfortunately, there aren't many modern options for people who care about both owning their devices and not being spied on by them.

>They've also taken a hardline stance against right to repair By which you mean Google, Microsoft and Apple? >Apple, Google & Microsoft Have Teamed up to Block the Right-to-Repair Law https://wccftech.com/apple-google-microsoft-team-up-to-stop-...

“They” isn’t a synonym for “they and only they”.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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The value of the location based tracking is overrated. Anyway, if you post an image to Facebook, Instagram or WhatsApp, the EXIF data has your location, or it can be solved from the content of the image.

With the exception of people who travel a lot, I really don't see why location, beyond what users enter into Facebook themself, would be particular useful. That seems to be the theme with Facebook, they collect a ton of information that isn't obviously useful. So what do Facebook know that the rest of us don't? Because the engineers at Facebook aren't stupid, they must have a reason for collecting all this stuff. Per…

> Facebook aren't stupid, they must have a reason for collecting all this stuff. Perhaps it's just in case they might find a use case some day?

The most obvious use, I would think, is to train machine learning model. Not necessarily neural networks, it could be much simpler models. Even if you don't need the data now, it can be useful to store it for later use. Maybe at some point in the future a new model will be able to see patterns that are useful. I think they operate based on the principle that data is a valuable resource, even if not immediately useful. How much data they have about their users is one of their key advantages over smaller players.

In general though, more data about you, such as locations you visit, people you're friends with, activities you do, gives them more understanding of what kind of person you are, which is undoubtedly useful when it comes to try and sell you stuff. For example, think about friends you know really well. Presumably, you have some idea of what kinds of things they would like to buy for themselves. That's because you have a good mental model of what kind of person they are and what they like, what they might be interested in.

Facebook maybe has one big advantage over Google, which is that they are a social network. They can try to influence your tastes based on the idea that you are likely to want to try things that your friends are into. They can subtly or not so subtly show you things your friends are doing with the hope that you will want to try or buy those things too.

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In Brave/FF mobile you open then menu and click "add to home screen", do other browsers not have that? Push notifications are pretty common on the web now, aren't they? (I don't use them).

Both Chrome and Safari have the "add to home screen", but Safari doesn't have push notifications, not even for "installed" webapp.

I remember the time when news were flooding the internet evangelizing iphones as the platform of the web, a platform that would allow websites do anything a native application could.

What a letdown...

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VR's probably not going to be bigger or even equivalent to mobile, so they should've tried harder.

I personally believe VR and mainly AR are the next and natural step in personal computing. Ubiquitous computing may be the next step from there. Something like “the world is the computer and you just interact with it”.

Hopefully VR will end up with a more permanent footprint than 3d cinema.

It is hard to evaluate VR with just the perception of what we have today and fantasies about how good the tech will be.

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Question is does google still collect the location data. And are they acting monopolistic here. My understanding is that even the latest version of android phones home your location in real-time. Which google uses itself for ads.

> Which google uses itself for ads Do you have a source? Google providing a location-based service for Android OS functionality is different from using it for ads.

I am extremely skeptical in anything Google states that they aren't using for ads and / or user tracking. There's plentiful of examples proving the opposites and it is littered with "whoopsies". Remember the time they "accidentally" equipped their google street view cars with Wi-Fi scanners? It's old but still is true. That happens to me too every now and then. Or how they see themselves above the law with their Google Analytics opt-out plugin that is the complete opposite of what the GDPR states.

Re: Google’s new popup will further weaken Facebook’s advertisement business

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"Facebook _could_ still fingerprint users using BlueTooth"

This article's title and narrative makes it sound like Facebook is using bluetooth fingerprinting to geolocate users against their wishes, and that Android's new permission will end that. However reading the text carefully it never actually claims Facebook is currently doing that. Are they or not? Is this article a hypothetical? That seems very disingenuous but also very typical of the kind of stories on privacy and advertising I see online.

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