Being an advocate for Taiwan starting to be worse for your career than being an advocate for Palestine.
Ask John Cena.
Tesla Rescinds Job Offer
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A clever tatic to remove key employees from competitors.
Right. You can promise whatever exhorbitant amount of money, perks and projects that dont exist . One day before the start date you just rescind the fictional offer. This is so unethical there should be a 1 or 2 month "deposit" for these cases haha
North Texas is littered with "contract to hire" "opportunities". BNSF burned me on a year long contract, after which they were supposed to hire me. I was fresh out of the military and stupid, so I did it. I asked two months prior all the way to the last week if they were going to hire me, at which point they told me that my contracting company had renewed my contract.
Since then, companies would call about contract to hire and I'd tell them, "Sure, I'll take the position but they have to be willing to fund a bond worth $10,000 (10% of expected salary) that is immediately transferred to me if the contract is renewed or ends without a hire."
I take a risk when I go a year without insurance, they're going to pay for that. Not one of these companies ever accepted. On a more rich note, there's no such thing as contract to hire - they have zero obligation and you retain all the risk. It's junk and marketing by malicious people.
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It's not. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States
I would argue that it is a distribution problem. United states produces tons and tons of food and wastes even more. Just looking at Pumpkin blasting during Haloween makes my blood boil, but it is what it is.
> Just looking at Pumpkin blasting during Haloween makes my blood boil, but it is what it is.
Those large pumpkins aren’t good for eating.
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#125Had a similar experience with Google a few months back - very disappointing how some companies play with people's future.
My experience interviewing there sucked. I found their whole process to be rushed and invasive. At the end of the whole thing I was told by the recruiter that the team and manager loved me and I'd have a written offer the following week. I was then invited to come have lunch with a member of the team (it was pretty casual). A couple or so days later I got a call from the recruiter saying that hiring committee rejected my packet and was given 0 feedback.
Here's the thing about interviewing at a company like Google: the people who you meet with and interview you literally have NO pull to influence whether you ultimately get hired or not - it all comes down to a committee that judges you based on how you look on paper.
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And when they do that, do you not consider it wrong?
How is it wrong? Company A makes an offer for a job on June 1 with a start date of June 15 and a salary of 100. Company B makes an offer for a job on June 5 with a start date of June 20 and salary of 130. Should you say, I'm sorry company B., your offer is much better, but I already took the lesser offer? Yes, I'm sure _some_ people would turn down a 30% diff., but most people will not and I would not hold that again…
I’m not exactly sure sure why I’m being down voted for pointing out that candidates cancelling offers can also have an impact, especially for start ups. If I’ve said something that offended someone, I’m sorry. But HN is supposed to be a community where you can play devils advocate, offer differing opinions and opposing views.
For the record I don’t think it’s wrong for a candidate to pull out if they found something better. It’s all just a part of the game. All I intended to do was bring to light that everyone is guilty for playing and optimizing for their own self interest, and not just the corporations.
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Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?
In France you have to stay for some time if you're resigning: https://www.welcometofrance.com/en/fiche/resignation For example, IT consultants usually need to stay for around 3 months following their resignation. It's the other side of the coin of strong employment laws that make it very hard for people with permanent positions to be let go, unlike the US.
Not sure what's the point of it though - if I am just slacking off those 3 months, what are they going to do, fire me? I see how it's good for me - I get 3 months paid vacation - but I don't see how it makes any sense for them. Looks like it's just a cost imposed on the employer, not something I have to do, but something they have to pay.
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I know lots of folks who hate(d) working there. Just adding my anecdata to yours.
I also heard that many people would look forward to leaving after the final vesting of their initial stock grant. I remember going to someone's Tesla work anniversary party, and his teammates were like "I really hope they stay, we typically lose people after these milestones".
Wait, what? Work anniversary parties are a thing? For single digit years, and inviting people not part of that work group to?
(Like, I can understand maybe having some cake around at somebody's 30 year work anniversary, or something like that. But you appear to be describing something very different from that.)
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Yeah, been there, done that. I turned down my other offers and then the one I accepted cancelled on me the night before my first day of work. I ran out of money and had to take a loan from a friend. I ended up working for them later anyway. No point holding a grudge.
It’s not about holding a grudge, it’s a loss of trust. If an employer did this to me, I wouldn’t trust them to not fuck me over in other ways as an employee.
Not trusting your employer should be the default strategy.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are there actually countries where employees can't quit if they want to?
I've read in France you need to give a notice period to your employer thought they can waive it. Not sure what is the consequence if they just walked out. https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observatories/emcc/erm/legis... Also I know from someone that worked in India that the employer would hold back some money which would be forfeited if they left without giving a notice period. Not sure how common that is.
> Not sure what is the consequence if they just walked out.
Typically you'd be charged by the company for the time you didn't work. Since you generally are owed money when you leave (like vacations, bonus, etc) they take it from there.