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Post by lightgreen »

emkoemko wrote: post #92
lightgreen wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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USA took Iranian independence and that didn't do anything but give them a dictator who gave/sold oil for cheap to the US/UK; Afghanistan was better of before US took it... now Taliban controls more territory then they did before US came in... list of countries that depended on the USA that got totally screwed over is larger then the list of a few that USA let become rich and prosperous.

> USA took Iranian independence

Iran problems began with islamic revolution, and USA had nothing to do with it, no?

> Afghanistan was better of before US took it

Which conflict you are talking about? War in Afghanistan started almost 50 years ago.

> now Taliban controls more territory then they did before US came in

Yeah, the US need to finish what it started. I think Trump decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan was a mistake.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by alephnan »

mthoms wrote: post #66
alephnan wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an infrastructure problem that money can mitigate.

I'm really not sure what point you're arguing. That Japan is many times richer than Vietnam? (You don't say!).

People are subject to a low standard of living. That’s literally the definition of poverty. Issues like this may merely be a proxy indicator of poverty, where it is debatable whether it is just a symptom. Nevertheless, it impedes people to go about and pursue greater economic activities when they have to worry about having clean water to drink, as another example .

I wish you luck drinking tap water or even the ice cubes at a street establishment in Vietnam

Edit: also, are you not proving my point? How can the people of a country be rich if the country itself is not? Unless there is great wealth disparity with most people living in impoverished conditions. I mean, if Vietnamese people were rich, they would have satiated their appetite for food, and other standard of living items, and eventually decide as a society that maybe they should fix the infrastructure problem that is wasting everyone’s time and even introducing risks of diseases / electrocution during these periods of flooding

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Post by vmception »

xsmasher wrote: post #116
vmception wrote: post #78

I saw a French movie about a French soldier in Vietnam set in 1945 I was also in France at the time when viewing the movie, it was very surreal in so many ways to be empathizing for a protagonist on one of the enemy sides - from an American perspective as I am an American. But I had never seen anything depicted about that war decades before the US got involved. I had never seen a war movie produced outside of Hollywo…

What is the name of the film?

I need to look it up from the time and place I was there, I'll edit if I find it in two hours or make a separate comment

edit: Les Confins du Monde (English: To the Ends of the World), 2018, directed by Guillaume Nicloux

I'm not immediately seeing where to stream it, I would really like to view it again! With English subtitles!

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by ghostly_s »

skzv wrote: post #100

I wrote a quick script the other day to colorize directories of family photos. I realized it would be cool to colorize these photos, too. Here's the album: https://imgur.com/a/aJbpMjf The script uses the Image Colorization API from DeepAi. Here's the repo for the colorizing model itself: https://github.com/jantic/DeOldify I don't think the DeepAi API allows you to adjust the model parameters, but you definitely can i…

Please don't do this.

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Post by drzaiusapelord »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #103
stolen_biscuit wrote: post #74

There's a lot of people in the comments saying that Vietnam didn't really "win" the war. Their political and military objectives were ultimately successful, those of the US/South Vietnam were not. That's what a victory is. The cost of victory was very high, but it was a pretty unambiguous success for the Vietnamese.

I think if you're talking about the acute win/loss of the Vietnam war, then absolutely the North Vietnamese won. If the USA really wanted to win the war then they could have done it outright in 1967. But that would have been very ugly. Not an option. Did the Vietnamese people win the war? No. They've been living in poverty for 50 years and most of them still are in 2021, 50 years later.

Maybe their soceity would have been more successful if it wasn't bombed to hell and back by the Americans then made a soft client state of the USSR and then boycotted by the West.

If left to develop its communist government by itself, it could be like China today - a superpower that's going to overtake the USA by important measures.

Lets stop pretending that years of war against a superpower didn't come at a cost for them and the US should have left them alone.

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Post by abrookewood »

stolen_biscuit wrote: post #74

There's a lot of people in the comments saying that Vietnam didn't really "win" the war. Their political and military objectives were ultimately successful, those of the US/South Vietnam were not. That's what a victory is. The cost of victory was very high, but it was a pretty unambiguous success for the Vietnamese.

Wikipedia is pretty unambiguous: "Following Vietnamese victory against the French in the First Indochina War, which ended in 1954, the nation was divided into two rival states: communist North and anti-communist South. Conflicts intensified in the Vietnam War, which saw extensive American intervention in support of South Vietnam, while the Soviets and the PRC supported the North, which ended with North Vietnamese victory in 1975. After North and South Vietnam were reunified as a communist state under a unitary socialist government in 1976"

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Post by jgwil2 »

marcodiego wrote: post #71

The photo https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-StC-dVAdOns/YK081DEgPdI/AAAAAAAAd... is probably a captured M16 since, AFAIK, Vietnam used AK-47. What impressed me the most: "Using home-brewed chemicals, they developed their pictures in the open air or in underground tunnels" if by chemicals to develop photos in open air means no need for a dark room, that is really not something easy to do with then available technology. It is…

> Also "The Americans denuded the landscape with chemicals to deny cover to the Viet Cong." means chemical weapons.

I believe the distinction is that Agent Orange was not used as a weapon per se, in that it wasn't applied to people, but rather was used to destroy plants. Please note I'm not making any claims about the ethics of its use.

Re: Vietnam War images from the North Vietnamese side

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #126
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think if you're talking about the acute win/loss of the Vietnam war, then absolutely the North Vietnamese won. If the USA really wanted to win the war then they could have done it outright in 1967. But that would have been very ugly. Not an option. Did the Vietnamese people win the war? No. They've been living in poverty for 50 years and most of them still are in 2021, 50 years later.

Maybe their soceity would have been more successful if it wasn't bombed to hell and back by the Americans then made a soft client state of the USSR and then boycotted by the West. If left to develop its communist government by itself, it could be like China today - a superpower that's going to overtake the USA by important measures. Lets stop pretending that years of war against a superpower didn't come at a cost for…

Are the Vietnamese people winning in this scenario? Are the Vietnamese people winning right now?
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