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Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by imgabe »

anonAndOn wrote: post #67
imgabe wrote: post #6

I'm sure it's skewed because of the Internet, but between Twitter and Hacker News it sounds like San Francisco is basically Somalia now.

Never left the Palisades, have you? SF has tons of property crime but much less of the violence you'd find in hellholes like St. Louis, Missouri or Baltimore, Maryland.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

The thing about high murder rates, at least in American cities, is that it's mostly gangs fighting each other over selling drugs. If you're not part of the drug trade, your odds of being murdered are not that much greater than anywhere else (stray bullets are a concern).

Property crime, on the other hand, affects a much broader swath of the population.

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Post by Bud »

84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

Sounds like someone (with a random handle and a 20-minute-old account) who spent ten minutes in the Tenderloin and thinks they're an authority on the entire Bay Area and California in general.

I'm pretty sure there are awful terrible neighborhoods in Dallas and Houston and other places in Texas, too. Let's not be absurdly reductive.

Nor does this have anything at all to do with people moving out of SF, of course: that's being driven by economic forces and the fact that the workers in question now have the freedom to work remotely from anywhere in the world, including all the various places where real estate costs 50-80% less than in SF.

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Post by tolbish »

dheera wrote: post #98
olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

I've always thought that an honestly useful product would be some kind of theft deterrent device that you either attach to your car, or attach to your camera equipment, and it detects the car window getting smashed or the tripod getting moved out of range of a beacon in the owner's pocket. If triggered it should spray a combination of fart spray, glitter, pepper spray, honey, flour, feathers, ink, in all directions.…

You're thinking of Mark Rober's famous glitter bombs - https://youtube.com/watch?v=a_TSR_v07m0

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by dcow »

yupper32 wrote: post #53
84fryb75 wrote: post #9

In early 2020, before lockdown, I visited San Francisco as a tourist with my wife. We took a wrong turn at a book store and wound up on a street covered in feces. The next street was fine. Then on the next, we watched a homeless woman shoot up on the street. Then a supercar pulled into a garage. I'm not the best traveled, I'll admit, so I can't compare SF to foreign cities. I'm a simple hillbilly from the Southeast,…

> This was my third time in SF. > Also, I've always refused to move to Silicon Valley > The author is in denial. > it is a really expensive shithole I'm always amazed by people who have visited a place a few times as a tourist and think "I'm qualified to shit on people who choose to live here". What makes you think you have any say in the situation? SF has massive neighborhood diversity as far as living situations go…

Just curious, what are you doing to turn it around? I don't think it's fair to use the collective "we" in this case unless you're actively working to solve these problems. Otherwise it comes off as incredibly dismissive.

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Post by dheera »

tolbish wrote: post #123
dheera wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always thought that an honestly useful product would be some kind of theft deterrent device that you either attach to your car, or attach to your camera equipment, and it detects the car window getting smashed or the tripod getting moved out of range of a beacon in the owner's pocket. If triggered it should spray a combination of fart spray, glitter, pepper spray, honey, flour, feathers, ink, in all directions.…

You're thinking of Mark Rober's famous glitter bombs - https://youtube.com/watch?v=a_TSR_v07m0

Oh yes, the first two are right from those. Add some more nasty stuff, productize it, install it in cars.

Re: I Was Robbed in San Francisco While the Cameras Rolled

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Post by asdff »

Gimpei wrote: post #88
olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

Crime has exploded across the US since the start of COVID, not just SF. So I'm not convinced Chesa is to blame. Which isn't too say I'm a big fan of his either. Homelessness is indeed a problem, but according to the biannual survey, most of the unhoused are from the bay area. This suggested the crisis is the result of skyrocketing rents and the steady disappearance of SROs. Yet another thing we can thank Nimbys for.…

I think the elephant in the room is the mental health crisis. You don't notice the person walking by you who lives in their car. You notice the person who is shoeless in traffic and screaming. We elected to close our mental health treatment facilities and turn these people out to the street to fend for themselves. Then when they deny offered treatment or shelter we claim they did it through their own volition and allow them to die on the sidewalk in confusion and poor health. This is the reality.

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Post by jmeister »

laurent92 wrote: post #57
phsau wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which policies?

Same as in France: - Being lenient towards criminals because we need to have empathy towards all humans (real victims being forgotten here); - Encouraging “deconstruction”, deconstruction of family values, of masculinity, of marriage, of traditional rules, replacement by state-sponsored benefits, which break the social fabric (a human as a free-spinning electron without roots may be healthy and wealthy, but at extrem…

You must not be American, definitely not Californian because the points you make are extremely taboo.

In the US there are probably a handful of feminist-critics who dare to say these things in the mainstream, e.g. Camille Paglia, Christina Hoff Sommers.

What is the intellectual climate like in France? Can someone write what you wrote above in a mainstream newspaper column?

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Post by axbytg »

raverbashing wrote: post #107
olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

It's funny how SF has turned into a daylight sociological experiment. Remove enforcement of several crimes and see it have areas reminiscent of 3rd world countries in a matter of years. (But don't expect this to be in any sociological studies, scholars will still blame "lack of education", "lack of opportunities", etc, while those have a role to play, the major factor that changed here is pretty obvious)

> see it turn into a 3rd world country in a matter of years

This is just a wild thing to claim.

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Post by chrischen »

dragonwriter wrote: post #101
chrischen wrote: post #89

FYI this type of stuff was happening in SF well before Chesa Boudin. An SF local news crew was robbed (and shot) while reporting in Oakland ( https://deadline.com/2019/02/san-francisco-news-crew-robbed-... ). More recently an SF news crew was robbed while reporting on car breakins, granted this was during Boudin's tenure. Maybe Chesa Boudin's policies aren't helping, but whatever we had before wasn't working either,…

> FYI this type of stuff was happening in SF well before Chesa Boudin. An SF local news crew was robbed (and shot) while reporting in Oakland That’s...not an example on anything happening in SF. It’s an example of things happening outside of SF to people working out of SF.

It's pretty close, and many of the criminals commute (for free) from Oakland. But my point still stands, crime (property crime at least) was going up over the last decade (https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/ca/san-francisco/prope... - click Property Crime tab).

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Post by kstenerud »

olivermarks wrote: post #30

SF District Attorney Chesa Boudin ran for office in November 2019 focusing his campaign on ending mass incarceration with restorative justice models, rather than punitive incarceral methods. Since then crime in SF has absolutely exploded, fuelled by proposition 47 which reduced stealing less than $900 day to a misdemeanor. Add in a massive opioid crisis and the result is a rapidly growing crisis of shoplifting, petty…

And the interesting thing is, the laws are even still more draconian than in Western European countries, booking processes more traumatic, prison terms longer, prison conditions an order of magnitude worse, and supervised release much more onerous.

And yet Western Europe doesn't suffer anything even close to San Francisco's crime levels.

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