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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bluesquared »

thanatos519 wrote: post #25
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

Even with the noisemaker my Chevy Bolt has still been quiet enough to surprise unaware pedestrians in parking lots.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by intrepidhero »

seanalltogether wrote: post #7

I'm sure this image is heavily photoshopped, but it looks like they're trying to make a center console that's half touch screen, half physical controls. I wonder what that will look like in reality. https://www.ford.com/is/image/content/dam/vdm_ford/live/en_u...

Is anybody selling conversion kits to replace touch screen controls with physical or is that too hard/niche?

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by tyingq »

dubcanada wrote: post #18
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Wait, so you're against cars? I am confused as to what any of that has to do with the new electric F-150.

It's heavier because of the batteries:

2022 Ford Lightning: 6,500 lbs

2021 Ford F-150 Hybrid: 5,794 lbs

2021 Ford F-150 ICE: 5,014 lbs

(All 4-door models)

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by maxerickson »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #27
dubcanada wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, so you're against cars? I am confused as to what any of that has to do with the new electric F-150.

EVs are heavier by nature (this vehicle’s battery pack alone is ~1800 lbs). Your average driver is not good at driving. The F150 sells very well. Ergo, more risk of more property damage and human harm. You can’t get around physics. More mass with more force carries more risk.

In terms of kinetic energy, adding 20% to the mass is like speeding up from 50 to 55.

40% is like speeding up to 60.

If you are worried about vehicle weight, worry more about speed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by taytus »

valine wrote: post #101
taytus wrote: post #19

Tesla is fucked.

With a max range of 300 miles on the f150 I doubt it.

I didn't meant for this vehicle in particular.

I meant it for all these car manufacturers pushing new EVs.

Tesla deserves a lot of credit for pushing the industry forward, but they are going to have a lot of competition in the next 5 years.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by oftenwrong »

thanatos519 wrote: post #25
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

Don't forget that electric vehicles are almost silent.

I work with a window facing the street, and I can hear electric cars coming well before they pass. Electric cars are near-silent only when they're moving very slowly. The noise from tyres-on-tarmac is still fairly loud when they are moving at typical city-driving speed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by aynyc »

neither_color wrote: post #65

After going through their marketing, and considering the needs of family in the construction industry, I think they've touched on the right use cases here that a tech worker Tesla fan wouldn't be interested in but that tradesmen/contractors do need. My relatives do in fact: Use the truck bed always and fill it with tools and supplies. Drive around all day going from job site to job site transferring tools and supplie…

Don't forget, the Frunk is a theft prevention system.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by csharptwdec19 »

perardi wrote: post #45
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

…what a non sequitur. The F-150 is already a bloated monstrosity, it makes no difference if it’s electric. It’s some tiny bit faster, but they’re all fast enough.

Well, There's speed, and then there's acceleration.

This new Lightning (putting it that way because F150 Lightning once corresponded to a gas-guzzling Supercharged V8 trim) has 775ft/lb of Torque. For reference, the existing models are between 265 and 510 ft/lb.

Additionally, one of the benefits of an electric motor, is that torque is essentially instantly available, compared to an ICE where there's only a slim power bad where that max torque range is hit.

Unless Ford 'governs' acceleration in software, I can see some lead-foots getting themselves into trouble quickly. They probably -will-, but I'd expect them to offer some sort of switch for that, lest the Ford zealots grab their pitchforks. Let us not forget that a lot of 'Car guys' are arguably insane. When Ford considered switching the Mustang to a Front Wheel Drive Mazda design, they had to deal with death threats!

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by dls2016 »

bobince wrote: post #105
CalRobert wrote: post #8

It's great to see the best selling vehicle in the US be zero emissions. It's wonderful. But this truck will be very heavy, very tall, and very fast. Drivers are already the leading killers of children, and more and more people are being killed while walking and cycling. I'm very worried about the effect of making this vehicle even faster and heavier. Hopefully reduced deaths from pollution offset this.

It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

Smells like a steak and seats 35!

https://youtu.be/PI_Jl5WFQkA

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by tw04 »

CobsterLock wrote: post #102
tw04 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not half and half, it's touchscreen with a physical volume knob which in my opinion is the right way . Having touch controls for volume is a horrible idea (my car has touch control for everything and I despise trying to get the volume adjusted quickly). https://i.imgur.com/Lw4GgNW.jpeg

Maybe I am asking for too much but I want physical knobs for: Volume Control, HVAC Fan Speed, HVAC Temp. A tangential question: Does anyone know why there is an AC button on older cars? I can turn the temp all the way down but that just does outside air temp. If i want real AC I need to hit a button to turn it on. In my ideal car turning the knob to the lowest temp would get me cold air no matter what.

Because the button is connected to a relay that turns the AC compressor on or off. The compressor actually draws quite a bit of power.

The hot/cold adjustment is adjusting a baffle/mixer that can either let in "cold" outside air, or air that's been heated by the engine compartment into the car. Think of it like driving around on a sunny day in the fall - sun is heating up the inside of the car, but the outside air is cold enough it would be silly and a waste of gas to turn on the A/C compressor.

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