Wish there was an option to skip windows and shave a hundred bucks or so.
Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999
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#122Echoing the other feedback here--I thought it would be cheaper too. The DIY edition where you have to bring your own components is at least double the price of a slightly slower laptop with RAM and storage included. I was expecting the DIY to start at $300-400, the current price point is far too high for unproven build quality.
The possibility to upgrade and repair easily must have been quite a bit of engineering upfront. It's also quite a niche laptop, so I guess there's less saving at scale than the big players in this market.
Also, that screen panel probably wasn't cheap. Its ratio is unusual for consumer products so it's likely a somewhat low-volume part, and its high resolution, wide gamut, and high brightness likely bump its price up as well. Normally in $300-$400 laptops you're getting a low resolution display with a truly horrible TN panel or low-end IPS panel with mediocre color and brightness so low it's difficult to use in even a well-daylight-lit room (200-300 nits).
Re: Framework Laptop pre-orders are open, starting at $999
#123How long does the battery last with an i7 though?
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#1243:2 display. WTF?!
The 3:2 display was my favorite part of my Surface. I'm considering this laptop so that I can get 3:2 and also be able to repair it when something fails, unlike my Surface
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#125Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!
The lack of upgradability of laptops is a huge problem, especially when so many come with 16GB or even a piddling 8GB of RAM - I'm excited to see you guys actually shipping! Do you have any plans to sell in the UK and Europe, through a distributor or otherwise?
Yes! We'll be selling directly to consumers in several countries in Europe (and UK) and Asia before the end of the year.
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#126Seems very expensive
You have to factor the cost of this laptop + cost of future upgrades vs the cost of a Dell/Macbook/whatever + its inevitable replacement.
If it wasn't cheaper then they wouldn't have much of a business model.
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#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
We manufacture subassemblies and most modules in China with final assembly in Taiwan. In typical consumer notebooks, batteries, hinges, ports, and keyboards would be parts that wear out over time. We've designed the Framework Laptop to make each of those easy to swap as needed.
Do you have an exploded diagram of all the individual parts?
We'll be publishing repair guides showing all the parts and assembly steps. In the meantime, you can check out some of the images that show modules: https://frame.work/products/laptop-diy-edition
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#128What’s the catch? Sounds too good to be true
IMO Samsung is taking laptops to 2.0, making them as functional and ergonomic as phones, and after apple follows, this will look like the very best 1.0 laptop.
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#129Wish there was a ATX-like standard for laptops. It wouldn't work for 13-inch laptops with super-tight internals, but for gaming laptops and mobile workstations it'd be awesome. Imagine your laptop is getting a bit old, so you swap out motherboard, CPU and RAM. That's the kind of laptop I want.
laptops with discrete GPUs usually have an integrated heatpipe solution that cools the CPU, GPU, and chipset. at least that's been the case with all the ones I've opened up. so you would probably have to replace the GPU also. even without the GPU, the CPU/RAM/mobo is already a pretty big portion of the BOM.
at that point, I have to wonder how much you would actually save by not replacing the screen, chassis, and storage. overall, this concept strikes me as more of a win for repairs than upgrades.
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#130Framework founder here. Happy to answer any questions anyone has on the product!
When Apple came out with flat keyboards (~2007/2008?) the entire industry copied the trend. The tops of the keys are flat, giving very little "context" to your fingers for accurate typing. It is hard to find the center or edges of the keys, which would be easier on sculpted keys which are concave and conform to your fingers. Do manufacturers even make keyboards like that for laptops anymore?
We put a lot of effort into great keyboard feel on the Framework laptop, both in terms of key travel (1.5mm) and key shape. There are limits to what you can do in a 15.85mm thick machine, but we stack up well compared to most other thin and light notebooks on keyboard quality.