How many murals or paintings of Steve Jobs are still on the Apple campus?
Caltech cancelled Robert Millikan (the founder), so it wouldn't be unprecedented for Apple to cancel its founder(s) as well.
Millikan wasn’t the founder of Caltech.
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Because it effects those around him and the business itself. Especially women who are already disadvantaged by inequalities in tech. You can take the your viewpoint to the extreme to prove a point: yeah that Himmler guy knows how to engineer and plan. all that matters right? One's actions affect others, and even disregarding the (evidently not agreed upon fact) that we should actively be combating racism, misogyny, d…
Right? And yet we are perfectly fine mandating social water cooler socializing despite effectively them reducing productivity. This has nothing to do with productivity. It is a power play. Pure and simple.
Productivity isn't everything. If what is produced is harmful, it is even negative value.
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Caltech cancelled Robert Millikan (the founder), so it wouldn't be unprecedented for Apple to cancel its founder(s) as well.
How do you cancel someone who is already dead?
> How do you cancel someone who is already dead?
There’s thousands of years of “cancel culture” history of doing that:
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Your position is illogical. The question "can this person do the job" can be a resounding, objective "yes", for someone who, say, also happens to embezzle cash from the company. If that's the "only thing that matters", then the thief should keep the job and continue stealing. Especially if you want to defend some unpopular position, you have make sure you don't have logical holes in it, like universal absolutes that…
No. Can the person do the job includes their obvious drawbacks ( like tendency to steal ). I do not consider writing a book, however salacious and 'wrong' it may be, to be in that particular category. The guy is an asshole, but it is hard to argue he does not know what he is doing.
The guy seems clueless how he affects people he manage, so is unfit for the job.
He sounds like a 0.1x employee.
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The petition quoted paragraphs and even pages of the book. Hours is enough time to download the book and verify he wrote those things.
He wrote one of the most quoted passages as a comparison to the mother of his kids. Most SV women don’t live up to this woman, whom he was lucky to get with, according to him. You need more than mere ‘hours’ to get the context.
Unless the only woman who works at Apple is his wife, it seems more relevant what that passage says about women who are not his wife.
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#126Outside of the main quote that keeps showing up, he was also fairly creepy writing about women he worked with . > Unlike most women at Facebook (or in the Bay Area, really) she knew how to dress; forties-style, form-fitting dresses from neck to knee were her mainstay. > There were few women one would call conventionally attractive at Facebook. The few there were rarely if ever dressed for work with their femininity o…
Most men make these observations in their mind or subconsciously. Let's not turn the workplace into adult kindergarten.
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#127Outside of the main quote that keeps showing up, he was also fairly creepy writing about women he worked with . > Unlike most women at Facebook (or in the Bay Area, really) she knew how to dress; forties-style, form-fitting dresses from neck to knee were her mainstay. > There were few women one would call conventionally attractive at Facebook. The few there were rarely if ever dressed for work with their femininity o…
Most men make these observations in their mind or subconsciously. Let's not turn the workplace into adult kindergarten.
If you're saying most men do it... then is it really openness which turns things into kindergarten?
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#128(1) It was interesting to see Apple employees organizing on Twitter. They don't really have any companywide chat or email lists, but some groups have a Slack (only for that group). (2) In the book he was comparing his pregnant British girlfriend to other women in the Bay Area, intended more to make her look good than others look bad. I don't think any malice was involved. (3) I hope he's getting some sort of severanc…
“She’s not like other girls” is a sexist thing to say and it isn’t a compliment. Even still, this: > Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit Is not really something that can be said “without malice” no matter the context.
Again, I'd urge you to read the context from where that quote was lifted. It's obviously written in an irreverent style, meant to exaggerate the contrast between this British Trader woman vs other women. I read this book when it came out and it was a good read.
If we can't have autobiographies written in an entertaining style, perhaps Balaji was right that we should all write pseudonymously to avoid being cancelled 5-10 years later.
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#129(1) It was interesting to see Apple employees organizing on Twitter. They don't really have any companywide chat or email lists, but some groups have a Slack (only for that group). (2) In the book he was comparing his pregnant British girlfriend to other women in the Bay Area, intended more to make her look good than others look bad. I don't think any malice was involved. (3) I hope he's getting some sort of severanc…
If you want to favorably compare your girlfriend to the general populace, you can talk about her strength, the things she would do that others might not. You could praise her worldliness, her understandings of the ins and outs of business, politics, and high society. And you could honor how she's straightforward, to the point, and honest. You don't have to denigrate another group of women in order to make the point -…
Most people do denigrate their exes, and it's highly unlikely that all their exes have been two standard deviations away from the mean (for that quality) while their current partner is at the mean. Much more likely, if you have a partner who is great at playing the piano (or at politics, or whatever) but all your previous partners have not been, most likely the average person just isn't great at playing the piano.
In other words, if you're saying nice things about your partner, the implication is that it's not generally true of other people of their gender - whether or not you spell it out.
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This man was a public figure with an NYT bestselling book who, based on evidence elsewhere in this post's comments, publicly and privately harassed multiple women over years. Is it possible people already knew of him prior to his hiring?
I will be perfectly honest. The way things are now, I would not be surprised if people just signed w/e petition was waved in front of them. Save the whales, kill the snails, can I go back to work?
You're going awfully out of your way to not engage with the arguments you're presented with by other people, dismissing them with sardonic one-liners, and making wild assumptions about the motives and thought processes of the Apple employees. If you're not trolling, I suggest you take a couple steps back and reassess the situation, because you're not coming across as a reasonable person.