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Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by krapp »

betwixthewires wrote: post #118
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #117

Is it possible that the internet killed mass culture? i think that music gets big when a large number of young guys identify with it; rock n roll was big in the twentieth century (be it r&b, rock, punk, metall or hip-hop), when everyone was listening to the same radio stations and you could easily push the same narrative down their throat; nowadays things seem to be much more fragmented (for whatever reason) and it i…

I have been thinking on this heavily, and the social implications of it, I do believe the internet killed the common cultural thread Americans had, for better or worse.

It may have killed the common pop cultural thread by virtue of fragmenting publishing and consumption, but Americans never had a common culture to begin with.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by dang »

pjc50 wrote: post #10
stuaxo wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is just name calling and doesn't address any of the points, which are all valid - for anyone who pays attention to music.

Don't feed the troll, just downvote and move on.

Better yet, flag, as described here: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

and here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html#cflag

If no one takes the flamebait, there won't be any flamewar.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by TOSSAWAY_1 »

dang wrote: post #111
TOSSAWAY_1 wrote: post #40

Haha I guessed racism. Man I'm like 10/10 at guessing the proposed american narratives lately.

Please don't post unsubstantive or flamebait comments to HN. We're trying for a different sort of conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I know the rules and any reader knows I'm commenting on the very obvious slant we're given. It's substantive to acknowledge when something is more era than merit.

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by dang »

TOSSAWAY_1 wrote: post #123
dang wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't post unsubstantive or flamebait comments to HN. We're trying for a different sort of conversation here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I know the rules and any reader knows I'm commenting on the very obvious slant we're given. It's substantive to acknowledge when something is more era than merit.

Please deepen your understanding of the rules. We don't want reflexive, repetitive reactions here. That's because such comments lead to shallow, repetitive discussion (which usually turns nasty too). This is the opposite of the kind of conversation we want in HN threads.

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Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by Kye »

Balgair wrote: post #99
stuart78 wrote: post #41

I think that the narrative of last twenty years has been a re-blending of genre in a way that is not fully appreciated. While you can certainly find plenty of music that fits the mold established in the 60s, 80s or 90s around you also find much more at the top of the charts that challenges those categories. Right now the top 10 Billboard chart includes Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the…

> And if you look at what is happening on Bandcamp or Soundcloud or YouTube or wherever else young people are trying new things you see a tremendous heterogeneity of inspiration and not a lot of concern for where the sound fits in. One way I have heard to mentally categorize things: What is the stereotypical musical instrument of that generation/genre? For jazz and the silent generation it was the saxophone, maybe ot…

The laptop is probably on the way out for a lot of electronic music. I just got a Launchpad X to see what all the hype was about, and it's a lot of fun. The fancier Pro MK3 model can hook right up to a synthesizer. You can already get a fully independent music-making tool in the higher-end Maschine+. I wouldn't be surprised if the inevitable Ableton Push 3 was standalone.

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Post by redisman »

tomgp wrote: post #44
wayneftw wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why hasn't rap died? It's been popular for multiple generations now.

Let's say hiphop started in 1980 so it's abouyt 41 years old. That's the begining of the 90's for rock music (if we consider it's origins to be the early 50's, though of course none of these dates represent hard boundaries) which feel about right. Hiphop and it's ofspring are the dominant forms of popular music but the tide of creative progress has perhaps slowed somewhat since the peak. Maybe. I don't necessarily be…

Jazz also had a long rein as the apex genre for something like 50 years but then fairly quickly succumbed to rock and disco in popularity. I would guess hip hop is past its peak already and it’s also splitting and merging with other genres so it gets hazy

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Post by jgalentine007 »

TomSwirly wrote: post #51
stuart78 wrote: post #41

I think that the narrative of last twenty years has been a re-blending of genre in a way that is not fully appreciated. While you can certainly find plenty of music that fits the mold established in the 60s, 80s or 90s around you also find much more at the top of the charts that challenges those categories. Right now the top 10 Billboard chart includes Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the…

To compare this to the 1950s is... very strange. For listeners, the broadening of access to the full diversity of music between 1950 and 1990 was unprecedented in history and will never happen again, simply due to the rise of technology, and the sudden access to all the traditions of the world within a single generation. > Lil Nas X and The Weeknd, neither of whom fits comfortably in the genre they are assigned to by…

'The Desert Music' by Reich is really wonderful, worth giving a listen!

Re: Bob Dylan lays down what killed rock n roll (2016)

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Post by redisman »

n00bdude wrote: post #115

Dylan’s 1966 “moto accident” ended rock N roll / end of story The album that would have come after Blonde On Blonde (hinted at on Eat The Document (1/2) would have been like angels on ze livewire) [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_j-1n5g8fM0 [2] https://m.facebook.com/vidclosetphx/videos/2709040459351627/

Rock n roll died before Led Zeppelin, AC/DC, Pink Floyd had release any albums?
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