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I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Murphy is the Anglicized form of an Irish name, Ó Murchú. One of the author’s paternal line ancestors came from Ireland, a land conquered and colonized by the English, i.e. the Anglo-Saxons. It would be one thing to say he had a honky ass white name, a cracker name, that would be in the American says American thing, who cares category. But to identify as Anglo-Saxon, an ethnic category!?! Not terribly surprising give…

I feel you shouldn't punish people for the name they were given by their parents. Changing your name is a big existential act, which I don't think it's reasonable to expect. If you've had it drummed into you from birth that you are III then it's hard to escape. That person's views about what their name represents are their own though and can be challenged.

> "Changing your name is a big existential act..."

that's mostly cultural. in some cultures (e.g., asian ones), it's normal to have multiple names for different levels of familiarity, and to adopt new names as circumstances dictate.

with that said, criticizing (someone else's) naming choices is a wholly aesthetic opinion and should be disregarded (perhaps politely).

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> My news this week is full of stories of employers who cannot find enough labor. Yeah, they can't find enough labor because they want to pay people $15 an hour in an area where the median home price is $572,000. I work in logistics. I occasionally overhear some of executive staff down the hall from my office complain about being unable to keep workers in a non-climate controlled warehouse, lifting enormously heavy t…

> where the median home price is $572,000 Where did all the money come from in last 1 year to inflate the prices to this insanity. So asset inflation is eventually going to make impact on labor prices and cause inflation. Then is why FED so cocksure that inflation is no big deal. >So yeah, I can understand why employers can't find workers... I don't understand why employers cant simply pay more and pass on the costs…

> Where did all the money come from in last 1 year to inflate the prices to this insanity.

We've been printing trillions over the past 15 years or so. And we've disproportionately accumulated it at the top (including the audience here, although the top 1% and 0.1% are doing even better than that). That money has to go somewhere. Traditional conservative investments have low rates of return right now - think low interest rates - and housing has historically been seen as "safe". And it's providing fantastic returns.

Take COVID - nobody wants to move, so housing supply is low. Tight supply is just exacerbating an existing issue, especially sharply over the past year.

Totally anecdotal: I just moved from SF to Seattle, somewhat related to my job. We were outbid half a dozen times, often by cash offers. I remember one of them in particular, because we got beat way over asking by a cash buyer, and it was rented on Zillow the week after closing. Housing is an asset class, not a place we live.

> I don't understand why employers cant simply pay more and pass on the costs to their consumers. What's stoping them.

Passing costs onto consumers is a bit of a lie used to scare consumers into opposing wage increases. You can only pass on so much cost, and it depends in part on the elasticity of demand for your product.

Anyhow, employers generally can pay more, but they are optimizing for their shareholders and return on equity. That's going pretty well if you look at the market. But that's why the market isn't reflective of the economy as a whole.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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There would probably be more respect even if nothing else changed except they paid more.

I knew a UPS long-haul driver who was making over $100k in 2003.

That was 2003 and a different career with different qualifications, not to mention work schedule.

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They want more immigrants, and yet they support Republicans which massively slashed legal immigration the last time they controlled the government?

The type of jobs GP is referring to are dependent on illegal immigrants which was not reduced under last admin.

I'm not sure how that refutes my point that there are millions of people south of the border willing to work these backbreaking jobs for low pay if only our government could come up with some sensible immigration bill.

That these same people also exploit undocumented people is a separate issue. Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding jobs!

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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On the hispanic comment, Spanish is a naturally gendered language, you cannot form a sentence without giving gender to at least the subject, for example "la doctora toma el café por la mañana" would translate to "the (female) doctor drinks (male) coffee by the (female) morning" because English is a mostly gender neutral language you would loose all gender information by literally translating that sentence. Now if we…

This is all true but I don’t think it was the main point GP was making. Most “Latino” people are of at least part Native American or African ancestry; whereas “Latin” refers originally to speakers of Romance languages. Thus most (of course not all) “Latinos” who call themselves that are identifying with the subset of their ancestors who enslaved and conquered the others.

The Native Americans were also well-known enslavers. Look up who the Cherokee took with them on their trail of tears.

Please don't deny their agency.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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I know that many of us here don't like what labor unions have become in the 21st century. But they do need some labor representation that can ensure the trucks used by drivers have working lights, mirrors, and safe tires, and that the company negotiates use of restrooms around the city. Maybe just a "safety only" union that only deals with safety issues?

My foray into 'blue collar' society (in large urban areas at least) taught me this clear and wide: most of it is run by vultures. The simplest equipment is optional, safety equipment is optional, hygiene is optional. Inhumane production rates are mandatory. Companies will scam you as much as the first stranger on an undeclared gig.

It's adversarial relationships from top to bottom. People are clueless, and don't want to make things better. Things rot as long as people involved are accepting, or forced to accept, the situation. Actually one gig I did was newspaper delivery and it's clear that the web took a lot of the money from them and they're barely surviving at the cost of employees.

Another factor, systems struggle accelerate when out of the mean, the lower the company is the lower the work life is, the worse the employees they can get is .. less means, less profits, more work.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Yeah - I liked that part of his essay too, I also just generally liked his writing. There’s something satisfying in this kind of work with clear explicit goals and getting through the list everyday. I think a lot of society issues seem to stem from how he briefly felt, that this kind of thing was a sign of failure or that he was embarrassed to tell friends at the holiday party. The irony to me is that this kind of wo…

There would probably be more respect even if nothing else changed except they paid more.

This can’t be overstated. Dignity means having the financial stability required to comfortably live in a decent neighborhood, get married, and raise a family.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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> Lurching west in stop-and-go traffic on I-80 that morning, bound for Berkeley and a day of delivering in the rain, I had a low moment, dwelling on how far I’d come down in the world. Then I snapped out of it. I haven’t come down in the world. What’s come down in the world is the business model that sustained Time Inc. for decades. I’m pretty much the same writer, the same guy. I haven’t gone anywhere. My feet are t…

Every argument against Amazon-the-employer I have read recently seems to pretend that the people who work there have no choice but to work for Amazon, as if they didn't pick the job for themselves out of the array of possible options available to them. I have a lot of issues with the way Amazon operates, but precisely nobody is forced to work there. This article does a good job of pointing that out.

forced, no - but in some areas it is the only viable place to work for many (speaking of warehouse)

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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Yeah - I liked that part of his essay too, I also just generally liked his writing. There’s something satisfying in this kind of work with clear explicit goals and getting through the list everyday. I think a lot of society issues seem to stem from how he briefly felt, that this kind of thing was a sign of failure or that he was embarrassed to tell friends at the holiday party. The irony to me is that this kind of wo…

There would probably be more respect even if nothing else changed except they paid more.

I doubt it.

Both because Amazon pay is decent, but more so because it’s more about class expectations than it is about pay.

Lots of jobs make a lot of money, but are still not considered high status.

Re: I Used to Write for Sports Illustrated. Now I Deliver Packages for Amazon (2018)

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The type of jobs GP is referring to are dependent on illegal immigrants which was not reduced under last admin.

I'm not sure how that refutes my point that there are millions of people south of the border willing to work these backbreaking jobs for low pay if only our government could come up with some sensible immigration bill. That these same people also exploit undocumented people is a separate issue. Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding jobs!

> I'm not sure how that refutes my point

I am refuting your point that people complaining about labor shortages shouldn't be voting republican. Which doesn't make sense because these ppl want

1. low regulation, taxes and lax labor laws.

2. availability of immigrants.

GOP provides both of these. Why would they care if ppl working for them are illegal or on h2 visa.

> Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding jobs!

Trump admin increased h2 visas despite what you are claiming. We had the highest number of h2 visas allocated under Trump and Bush and lowest under Obama admin. Obama slashed these visas by half from bush era. Most of the resistance to seasonal visas comes from democrat voting unions who lobby against these visas. They lobbied obama govt to slash those visas under the guise of protecting their local union memebers.

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/biden-agenc...

Check these numbers for yourself here

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/FY08-A...

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual...

https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual...

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