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Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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I am wondering, why it's talking about the absolute number of 3000 containers, but not mentioning if or how the shipping logistics evolved in that time. It could as well be, that shipping simply increased over years, could it not? edit: According to https://stats.unctad.org/handbook/MaritimeTransport/Indicato... container shipments increased steadily over years.

The data is far to noisy for such small changes to be particularly relevant. The 2013 peak looks about 15x as high as 2017.

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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No mention of recovery. I wonder.. are the containers ever recovered, or is it prohibitively expensive, or, logistically near impossible?

I wonder if someone can make a living recovering these containers and selling their contents on eBay (considering it seems everyone treats the fallen off container as litter..).

Selling on eBay is theft. The contents if those containers belongs to someone. You can possibly make a living recovering the container for the owner, but if you don't agree to a price beforehand the lawyers will make a killing in court deciding what you should get.

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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Yes, absolutely. It absolutely hammered home for me the extreme value potential of even (seemingly) small logistical changes. It reminds me of a quote about warfare: "Amateurs talk about strategy and tactics. Professionals talk about logistics"

Isn’t there a quote along similar lines, “battles are won by soldiers, wars are won by food/supply”?

One of the oldest is "Armies march on their stomachs."

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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I wonder how many other hazards are out there. I have feeling it's small fraction compared to something like tree logs or g*d knows what else.

He has also hit a whale. He has had a lot of alarming things happen while out sailing. I learned to avoid going out with him.

FWIW there were some bizarre orca attacks around Portugal or Spain recently.

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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If they can find them. We've lost whole planes in the ocean ; finding something as small as a shipping container will require a big stroke of luck.

I think any future generations will likely have more advanced technologies for finding stuff. And hopefully somebody figures out how to find my glasses.

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One interesting take I’ve read on that quote is that you need to consider the source. If you’re a general for a country that routinely deploys troops to the other side of the world, in the service that specializes in landing those troops on a hostile beach with no friendly infrastructure, in a milieu when it is no longer considered acceptable to supply your troops by allowing them to pillage the countryside, you are…

It's not just remote deployments where it matters. There is no deployment scenario that is not heavily dependant on logistics. This is more true in protracted land deployments of troops across large distances, not less so. No matter the strategy, logistics must match it or success is significantly more difficult. Take Napoleon w/ Russia, where Napoleon's ambition out ran his logistics. His strategy and tactics had yi…

Bringing it back to software, I find it interesting that the word "deployment" is used in both contexts. And indeed, there is something to be said about the "logistics of data" - as in, how it flows through your system(s) to combine, in the end, into a rapid fire, accurate, useful, valuable response to specific request.

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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IMO Amazon makes money by selling counterfeits.

That's a bit of a separate issue from their massively efficient logistics network.

Probably, but could overlap if you believe that they got ahead by cutting corners; I imagine that their practice of commingling inventory nets them a nice improvement in efficiency while making the counterfeiting issue worse.

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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post #111

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Isn’t there a quote along similar lines, “battles are won by soldiers, wars are won by food/supply”?

One of the oldest is "Armies march on their stomachs."

Robot armies march on their data.

The running, value-producing software that lives in the data-center requires many kinds of resources, like people do. Electricity is the air of the robot armies. The network is something like having legs and eyes. Data is food because it has to be gathered, stored, and moved to the right place at the right time, and it is certainly the hardest thing for a process to get!

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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For interest, here are the UK Maritime Accident Investigation Branch reports into two incidents of loss of containers overboard in the Pacific from ships that happened to be UK-flagged at the time:

https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/loss-of-cargo-containers-ove...

The Ever Smart (yes, owned by Evergreen's UK subsidiary)- 44 containers lost.

https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/loss-of-cargo-containers-ove...

The CMA CGM G. Washington- 137 containers lost.

Re: Shipping containers are falling overboard at a rapid rate

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To anchor discussion, prior to the rise of intermodal shipping containers in the '60s & '70s, cargo was shipped as breakbulk cargo. Losses from theft and damage were considerably reduced by switching from breakbulk cargo to shipping containers. Not the same as losing stuff over the side, but still a regular and somewhat predictable expense. One anecdote I remember from Levinson's book is about a scottish whisky disti…

The Box is way more fascinating than it has any right to be. It touches on basically every aspect of post-1950 world economy, history, urban planning, social changes, migration, etc.

On a related note, there is an episode of Connections that ties the width of the early railcar's wheelbase to pretty much all subsequent forms of transportation, ending with modern space exploration capability. Pretty awesome to observe the actual reach of decisions made long ago.
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