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Post by thelean12 »

readflaggedcomm wrote: post #49
ceejayoz wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I believe that's the line. I believe you're misrepresenting the line. Free speech in the US is about being protected from government -inflicted consequences. I can say "fuck you" all I like, but that's never meant I can say it to my boss and demand a First Amendment right to remain employed. It's never been an absolute, either. Incitement to riot, fraud, libel, actionable threats; all are speech, but we've long acc…

The First Amendment is about that. The principle is broader. We don't all accept restrictions on it.

Not quite as simple as you make it out to be.

Why should I let you scream "fuck you" over and over again in my coffee shop?

Yeah yeah, maybe social networks are the new town square blah blah. My point is that the line isn't so black and white.

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Post by ravenstine »

1024core wrote: post #119
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Did you read that article? The guy's grandpa did not need oxygen, but died of a heart attack instead. During this time of crisis, it's common for governments to crack down on speech. You've heard of the "shouting 'FIRE' in a crowded movie hall" analogy, right?

That principle was never intended as a reason for censorship. People shouting fire in a crowded theater should receive a trial. Facebook and Twitter aren't known for having a formal appeals process, and you're lucky if they even give you any attention.

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Post by webmobdev »

baybal2 wrote: post #98
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Do you guys still need oxygen there? How is the situation there really? I called a few of my contacts, and get very diverging pictures. No interruptions in Kochi, to some stress in Hyderabad, Chennai, Bengaluru, to total apocalypse in Noida. I see oxygen production being such a basic industrial process, that I never could've imagined even a most poorly industrialised country having troubles producing it. It's tragic…

    Do you guys still need oxygen there? How is the situation there really?
India is the largest producer of Oxygen and vaccine in the world! Despite this, we are facing a shortage of both.

Then how did we get in to such a situation? The reason is the complete apathy of the government in planning and preparation.

While we are the largest producers of Oxygen in the world, we only have 2000 trucks to transport them. Failure to plan and improve the logistics is one of the reason why all are hospitals are now facing Oxygen scarcity, even though we have a surplus of it! The second reason is failure to upgrade existing infrastructure in hospitals.

According to an opposition leader, we exported 60 million vaccines between January and March of this year, while we had only vaccinated around 30 to 40 million of our own people!

Our vaccine plans also hit a hurdle when a US vaccine by Novavax, that has been licensed for production in India, is facing hurdles of getting the raw material for the vaccine from US (that has obviously prioritized it for its own needs).

According to the same opposition leader, we also exported around 1.1 million doses of Remdesivir to other countries. And our media is showing people desperate to buy Remdesivir from anywhere at any price.

In between all this, the government permitted huge gatherings of people in election rallies and religious occasions.

Summary: We had all the resources. But apathy and poor planning screwed up India's fight against COVID.

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Post by isatty »

1024core wrote: post #119
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Did you read that article? The guy's grandpa did not need oxygen, but died of a heart attack instead. During this time of crisis, it's common for governments to crack down on speech. You've heard of the "shouting 'FIRE' in a crowded movie hall" analogy, right?

I seriously hope that I won’t have to resort to name calling here on HN but are you for real? Oxygen and advanced life support is not unique to COVID and his tweets don’t say so either.

How the hell is this equivalent to shouting “FIRE” in a crowded place?

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

baybal2 wrote: post #112
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't need bulk oxygen generated ad-hoc. They need medical grade oxygen delivered in standard medical equipment that they can use in a controlled manner right away. Chemistry experiments won't solve this.

> They don't need bulk oxygen generated ad-hoc. They need medical grade oxygen delivered in standard medical equipment that they can use in a controlled manner right away. Right now, I believe from reports on the ground, that they need just any oxygen to hold on for 2-3 more weeks. First hand report I got is that LO2 tankers been all around on TV, but despite that all hospitals in the area been empty of oxygen for 3-…

Please, give the medical system in India at least a tiny bit of respect and stop trying to armchair quarterback their solutions with your chemistry knowledge.

They know what they need better than you do. They're not going to MacGyver their solution by improvising an industrial chemical production process with welding equipment and random chemicals.

Being able to make oxygen in a chemistry experiment is not equivalent to being able to deliver oxygen to patients in a medically appropriate manner using standard medical equipment.

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Post by dagmx »

1024core wrote: post #119
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Did you read that article? The guy's grandpa did not need oxygen, but died of a heart attack instead. During this time of crisis, it's common for governments to crack down on speech. You've heard of the "shouting 'FIRE' in a crowded movie hall" analogy, right?

Did you read that the statement of it being a heart attack came from the police (that are being used to intimidate people) and not medical professionals.

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Post by selimthegrim »

OJFord wrote: post #104
lindy2021 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original meaning of "religion" in Arabic ("Din") is law. What you call "religious error" is tantamount to "illegal behaviour" to others.

That made me naïvely curious about 'Aladdin'; yep: https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%B9%D9%84%D8%A7%D8%A1_%D... Seems unrelated to Hindi (via Sanskrit) दिन 'din' meaning 'day' though. (Not that I expected it because 'day' and 'religious' are similar in meaning, just curious because there is overlap, and borrowed terms (well, with Persian, but those in turn often derived or cognate with Arabic, at least in my idly…

That din has a short i. The one in Alaa’adin, (despite how Disney would have you say it) is a long i.

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Post by omegaworks »

1024core wrote: post #119
amrrs wrote: post #4

Indian Government recently made Twitter do similar things. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/26/twitter-under-... Do you know what's worst? A guy was booked yesterday for Tweeting he needed oxygen cylinders which according to a state government is spreading fake news. https://thewire.in/government/amethi-up-police-arfa-khanum-s... While COVID hasn't been kind to the people of India, The current regime's atte…

Did you read that article? The guy's grandpa did not need oxygen, but died of a heart attack instead. During this time of crisis, it's common for governments to crack down on speech. You've heard of the "shouting 'FIRE' in a crowded movie hall" analogy, right?

Oxygen is typically necessary for people with heart conditions. Any pressure on the supply will have impact all across the board.

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Post by saagarjha »

rodgerd wrote: post #11
mancerayder wrote: post #9

Shocking. What do the pro censorship people say all the time when defending Facebook or Twitter: speech is free but not free from consequences. I believe that's the line.

The Indian government's position is perfectly in line with so-called free speech defenders: they are shutting down illegal content, not applying their own judgement.

Perhaps the issue is that the law does not protect free speech.
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