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Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by oytis »

_jal wrote: post #95
scoofy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I had to wager I'd always bet on national security agency of any powerful country lying, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion given their history. Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly. That you're more familiar with the CIA lying is a testament to the free press of the US, not the other way around. The point of the previous post is that it could easily be another security…

> Let's not pretend Who is pretending? The discussion is about the CIA. When I discuss cats, there is no reason I should have to always qualify it by saying "yes, and dogs are cute, too."

Kaspersky's ties to FSB are an open secret, so it's really believing FSB vs believing CIA unless you have a way to verify them.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by [deleted] »

mc32 wrote: post #4
efnx wrote: post #2

So this was deployed in 2014 and we’re just connecting all the dots now? It really makes you wonder what’s being deployed at the moment. The fact that they can determine all this from some binary is amazing. Security researchers really are techno-archaeologists.

I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

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Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by willcipriano »

dataflow wrote: post #119
willcipriano wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries Folks inside the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public as the justification for war was coming together. That silence resulted in the loss of at least one hundred and fifty thousand human beings needlessly and a war that has lasted decades.

Huh, you went from > I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars to > the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public ? Isn't that a bit of a... large jump? Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all? I mean, maybe you can argue they should do that (for the public good), but unless they alread…

On the "I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars" comment we have started what 4 wars since Iraq? Every drone strike is justified with intelligence. I can find some YouTube clips later of CIA directors justifying war in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria if you don't believe me.

> Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all?

They did so pretty frequently during the Trump administration. Whistleblowers spoke up when someone came in claiming to want to end the war on terror, they didn't feel the need to do so in 2001 when that war was getting started.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by [deleted] »

FpUser wrote: post #37
jmann99999 wrote: post #21

I may have missed it in the article, but as a sysadmin, i’m trying to figure out what I should do. It appears the CIA has created malware. I assume, if they have exploited some hole, others will too. While I appreciate the heads up, Can anyone offer suggestions on how to mitigate this malware? What do I do? Do I have to rely on Kaspersky?

If you want to be protected from the US made malware you do not go to US antimalware vendor. If you want to be protected against Russian malware you do not get antimalware from Russia. So pick your poison.

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Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by sitzkrieg »

efnx wrote: post #2

So this was deployed in 2014 and we’re just connecting all the dots now? It really makes you wonder what’s being deployed at the moment. The fact that they can determine all this from some binary is amazing. Security researchers really are techno-archaeologists.

and to think thats because they seemingly randomly decided to go back and re analyze this older stuff

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by totalZero »

_jal wrote: post #95
scoofy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I had to wager I'd always bet on national security agency of any powerful country lying, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion given their history. Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly. That you're more familiar with the CIA lying is a testament to the free press of the US, not the other way around. The point of the previous post is that it could easily be another security…

> Let's not pretend Who is pretending? The discussion is about the CIA. When I discuss cats, there is no reason I should have to always qualify it by saying "yes, and dogs are cute, too."

It's more like saying "white cats enjoy naps" when napping activity is generalizable to all cats.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by acruns »

mc32 wrote: post #4
efnx wrote: post #2

So this was deployed in 2014 and we’re just connecting all the dots now? It really makes you wonder what’s being deployed at the moment. The fact that they can determine all this from some binary is amazing. Security researchers really are techno-archaeologists.

I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

we should consider the source and timing for sure.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by neartheplain »

himinlomax wrote: post #118
scoofy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I had to wager I'd always bet on national security agency of any powerful country lying, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion given their history. Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly. That you're more familiar with the CIA lying is a testament to the free press of the US, not the other way around. The point of the previous post is that it could easily be another security…

> Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly How do you go from reading "the CIA is lying" to "the FSB is telling the truth"? Do you understand the difference between those statements? Reminds me of a stand up bit, "are you a Jew or an antisemite?"

>How do you go from reading "the CIA is lying" to "the FSB is telling the truth"?

The link is a Kaspersky press release, so there’s potential for an FSB connection:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-07-11/kaspersky...

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by Godel_unicode »

reedjosh wrote: post #80
kube-system wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who define it differently than you also use reason -- just a different line of reasoning. This is the entire issue with the phrase to begin with, there's no universal definition of what it means. It assumes a shared value system. Almost everyone who fights anyone else believes that they are right and has a reason for it.

> This is the entire issue with the phrase to begin with, there's no universal definition of what it means. It assumes a shared value system. True it's not precise language and maybe could have been better, but I think that would require a much larger post. Still I agree with it based on my value system. > Almost everyone who fights anyone else believes that they are right and has a reason for it. Sure, but at least…

> actively avoiding people that do

So, Vichy France? This is the type of stance that only makes sense in a world with no evil in it; do you believe that the US was wrong to fight the Nazis in the 1940s, for instance?

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by throwawayfff »

mc32 wrote: post #4
efnx wrote: post #2

So this was deployed in 2014 and we’re just connecting all the dots now? It really makes you wonder what’s being deployed at the moment. The fact that they can determine all this from some binary is amazing. Security researchers really are techno-archaeologists.

I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

The last round of skeptics were skeptical of Russian hacking, and were shouted down for asking for more evidence then "experts agreed". They're either still around lurking or have just moved on. No one wants to post just to get down voted or shadow banned.
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