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Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Understandable you'd think Kinder was a German brand, but they're made by Ferrero, an Italian company.

Ah, I keep forgetting that. "Kinder" sounds very German to me.

Because the word is german indeed.

Ferrero has an long history in using foreign words in their product names.

E.g.

Mon Cheri chocolate in 1956

Nutella in 1964 ("nut" also not an italian word, which would be "nocciola")

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

Then why are people shitting over Google for attempting to created a censored search engine for China? I think the project was called Dragonfly.

Because they're applying Western ideals to a country (or more specifically a government) that doesn't share those same ideals.

Larry and Sergei were of the opinion that any information, even if censored, is better than no information at all.

> "While removing search results is inconsistent with Google's mission, providing no information (or a heavily degraded user experience that amounts to no information) is more inconsistent with our mission." [1]

They could have pulled out but they were idealistic and felt that their presence was one step towards making the world a better place. Well, that and

> The Google statement said the tradeoff for going against its basic principle of making the "world's information universally available and accessible" is gaining greater access to a quickly growing Chinese economy.

That's the general gist anyway. I forget the specifics but it's covered in a book called In The Plex[2]

[1]: http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/01/25/google.china/ [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Plex

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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post #49

The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

If India requires twitter murder a child every time someone tweets, I sure hope they don't just say: "Well, I guess that's just their way of life" and continue operating. Obviously India is requiring no such thing, but what about when China wants google to build them a censored search engine?

I don't understand your point. Murdering children is an unequicoval act of heinous evil, deleting posts from your website is a shady business decision.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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post #49

The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

> Swiss company doing banking by the Swiss laws in US

In the end, Swiss companies doing Swiss style secret banking in Switzerland were deemed unacceptable to the US and forced to change. It's realpolitik all the way down.

This stuff tends to come down to whether you support the specific policy and outcomes.

Hyped up nationalism is a problem in lots of countries; there's only so much blame you can apply to social media before having to look at other actors as well.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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It is 2021, we should have decentralised authenticated version of text board by now. All the bs about crypto disruption, but nothing for such simple case.

Unmoderated social media (which I'm guessing is your goal with decentralization) tends to accumulate people who have been kicked off all moderated social media - see stuff like Parler, Ruqqus, etc. I don't think removing all ability for moderation is a good idea, more of a balance is necessary.

And the first uses of bitcoin where shady, or outright illegal, given those users had the greatest incentives to use alt currencies - this was the main attack by detractors.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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post #34
post #12

It is 2021, we should have decentralised authenticated version of text board by now. All the bs about crypto disruption, but nothing for such simple case.

Unmoderated social media (which I'm guessing is your goal with decentralization) tends to accumulate people who have been kicked off all moderated social media - see stuff like Parler, Ruqqus, etc. I don't think removing all ability for moderation is a good idea, more of a balance is necessary.

If you have an upvote/downvote system that requires authentication, thresholds of useful upvoted activity to unlock (like HN), and perhaps some kind of spending or at least account balance, you could have a reasonable front page and subforums, and the discouraging noise you describe would only come up if you manually paginated or manually searched/filtered for it. Assuming wide enough usage by the public.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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post #114
post #92

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The centralized network stops itself from implementing it. That's what it used to be like on for example Twitter, where people used blacklists. But Twitter didn't want that and they wanted to be the arbiter of what you should or should not see instead. And if you want to do that as a centralized network, you'll be cancelled by one of services you have to rely on anyways.

> ...to be the arbiter of what you should or should not see instead. I can understand the tendency if there's a business behind it, maybe they don't want the homepage to be filled with polarizing, divisive, or nsfw content etc. But I do like the idea of letting users decide what they'd like to see other than on the homepage, where I would be Ok with some default filters. Maybe they can be disabled for the inclined.

Twitter doesn't have a homepage. It's just log in / sign up.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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> Although the US government is bound by the first amendment, we have effectively outsourced that right to private monopolies that aggressively censor views that don’t fit progressive perspectives. Private companies being able to do this is a form of speech. I think it's problematic, but ultimately they should be able to moderate their users/choose who they allow on their platform (outside of a few protected characte…

> Private companies being able to do this is a form of speech. I’m also conflicted on this point, but my present feeling is that these tech companies constitute a different situation from a “regular” private company exercising their own free speech rights. Several of them are too big and monopolistic (Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, Facebook) and the ones that aren’t on that scale, like Twitter, are still very shielded fro…

> Leaving all that aside - what platforms do you believe hold promise for a decentralized future?

https://urbit.org/

I think stuff like mastodon is dead on arrival and will never succeed outside of its extremely niche audience. Urbit has the potential to solve a lot of these issues because of its architecture.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Twitter will ban the American President but is afraid not to listen to the Indian government. I guess they choose what political parties they want to support.

Twitter banned an individual Account for violating their policy. Not quite the same as a government forcing them to block tweets.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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post #43
post #12

It is 2021, we should have decentralised authenticated version of text board by now. All the bs about crypto disruption, but nothing for such simple case.

I just read a thread on Twitter where the user complains about the English translation of an anime, and 6 tweets later is saying they don't care about the opinion of "blacks / LGBT" and literally defending Nazis. Can't say the argument for less moderation is appealing to me.

The idea that Nazis are the special case where it is ok to censor people, has simply turned into the habit of labelling anyone you want to censor a "Nazi".
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