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“No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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Yeah, the courts generally say that you have to accommodate or remedy whatever the general request or grievance. They generally do not write/rewrite policy. That's supposed be for the executive and legislative branch to come up with. It should be interesting to watch. My guess is we won't hear the final result for a few years... as usual.

Right, but... if I understand correctly, the judge ordered things to be done to stop the ongoing harm while the case was being decided . In order to avoid having to do this, LA is going to need to win an appeal about the temporary order before the 180 days runs out. Court slowness is now working against LA. Disclaimer: IANAL, and all that...

Ah, I missed the part about it being temporary. It seems like quite a large and expansive judgement for a temporary measure. Usually they are small injunctions against a new law or policy, like the recent one against enforcing the bump stock ban.

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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> Yeah, the courts generally say that you have to accommodate or remedy whatever the general request or grievance. They generally do not write/rewrite policy. That’s…actually not all that true, especially in the case of systematic racial discrimination by local government. School integration, including bussing, is a pretty good example where policy was often dictated in fairly explicit detail by the courts.

In the case of school integration, the prior ruling under Brown was not being followed. That failure to follow that ruling then lead to a second judgement giving judges specific powers to force the correct implementation of Brown if the school districts had not done it themselves. It's very odd to jump directly to writing detailed policy on a first judgment. Usually it's only that a specific policy is not allowed or…

> It's very odd to jump directly to writing detailed policy on a first judgment

It is not at all unusual for preliminary injunctions, when they are issued at all, to include specific mandated interim actions to prevent or interrupt ongoing harm. That’s, in fact, the whole reason preliminary injunctions exist.

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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In the case of school integration, the prior ruling under Brown was not being followed. That failure to follow that ruling then lead to a second judgement giving judges specific powers to force the correct implementation of Brown if the school districts had not done it themselves. It's very odd to jump directly to writing detailed policy on a first judgment. Usually it's only that a specific policy is not allowed or…

> It's very odd to jump directly to writing detailed policy on a first judgment It is not at all unusual for preliminary injunctions, when they are issued at all, to include specific mandated interim actions to prevent or interrupt ongoing harm. That’s, in fact, the whole reason preliminary injunctions exist.

I missed that it was an injunction. I still feel this is unusual for an injunction given the scope.

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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You have legalised cannabis in the states, that's a better pain relief option.

And your medical degree is from where?

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/10/12/e043400

Re: “No Defense of the Indefensible”: L.A. Judge Makes Landmark Homelessness Ruling

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As they should. This is judiciary overreach.

Yes let's leave these people in horrific environments and situations because we can. I can't believe that when common morality is so absent,that when it is so bad it has to be legally mandated, there are still people who think that leaving them to rot is ok. You are probably not a Christian, but you have a large Christian population and that they allow this to happen just highlights the hypocrisy of the entire idea o…

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