Employee refuses to download app that monitors location, says it got her fired

Post by feurio » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 4:20 PM UTC

varispeed wrote: post #112

feurio wrote: post #110

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> The articles refer to those workers as contractors and mainly focus on IT market, but these rules can be applied to any workers. But you say things like this from a reply above, and they simply do not apply to "any workers" (ie. employees) - only those that are specifically taken on as contractors. I'm not going to wake up tomorrow to find that it applies to me as I'm an employee, not a contractor. I know this is y…

Ok, but company can fire you and give you a contractor contract as take it or leave it. It's legal. An example from today: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/apr/14/hundreds-br...

Post by JanisL » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 4:50 PM UTC

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #85

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #56

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Way to deflect the actual issue. The things you mention can be solved by actual supervision (you know, a supervisor doing their job) and old-fashioned time clock. The issue here is expecting the employee to install a spying app on their personal phone. If it’s that important, they should give the employee a work phone with the app.

Its not economically realistic to expect physical supervision, when this kind of cleaning work is typically fully distributed across multiple sites. As part of the contract a worker would probably drive to a school at 5pm, clean it for a few hours, drive home. Some workers probably realised that there was no one actually validating their work, and didn't show up or only 'worked' for a short period of time. Its unreas…

Post by JanisL » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #67

When I started my last job (decently large corp) there was a long onboarding session for mobile device setup. Email, Skype, a dozen other internal apps, 2FA authenticator, SSO, device profiles, remote locking/erase, certificates — the whole deal. There was even some weird internal app store. I asked them where I could get my company phone to set up all this, and they replied no, you just use your personal phone. I ha…

Post by loloquwowndueo » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 5:27 PM UTC

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #85

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #56

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Way to deflect the actual issue. The things you mention can be solved by actual supervision (you know, a supervisor doing their job) and old-fashioned time clock. The issue here is expecting the employee to install a spying app on their personal phone. If it’s that important, they should give the employee a work phone with the app.

Its not economically realistic to expect physical supervision, when this kind of cleaning work is typically fully distributed across multiple sites. As part of the contract a worker would probably drive to a school at 5pm, clean it for a few hours, drive home. Some workers probably realised that there was no one actually validating their work, and didn't show up or only 'worked' for a short period of time. Its unreas…

Post by effingwewt » Wed, Apr 14, 2021, 6:40 PM UTC

novaRom wrote: post #36

dandanua wrote: post #7

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Unfortunately, we've reached a no return point. The next natural stage will be the raise of fascist states. With mass surveillance, AI, and nuclear weapons it will be almost impossible to overthrow them.

Not sure why people downvote you. This stage is clearly happening. People go to prison for just retweets or a comment in social networks. And how many high rank officials are actually compromised? It's clear and every day it's worse.