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LulzSec supposedly claims its biggest coup yet: The entire UK 2011 Census

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Post by pavel_lishin »

someone13 wrote: post #113

According to their Twitter, they haven't hacked the Census. Seems like someone was spreading false information... See: https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83168314527981568 https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83167715799470080 EDIT: Those tweets were deleted. Here's the official word: "Just saw the pastebin of the UK census hack. That wasn't us - don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first…

I wonder how long it will take before someone compromises their Twitter account.

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Post by joejohnson »

someone13 wrote: post #113

According to their Twitter, they haven't hacked the Census. Seems like someone was spreading false information... See: https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83168314527981568 https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83167715799470080 EDIT: Those tweets were deleted. Here's the official word: "Just saw the pastebin of the UK census hack. That wasn't us - don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first…

When you post a tweet, how much information does twitter have about you? An IP adress, what platform you use, etc.

I'm just curious, because Lulzsec posts frequently and I wonder if law enforcement could subpoena twitter in attempts to catch these people.

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Post by Peroni »

BasDirks wrote: post #116

LulzSec The Lulz Boat Oh well, just because we want to waste government and local authority investigation time: we hacked every website in the world. Enjoy! 11 minutes ago LulzSec The Lulz Boat I'm not seeing "we hacked the UK census" on our twitter feed or website... why does the media believe we hacked the UK census? #confusion 13 minutes ago LulzSec The Lulz Boat Not sure we claimed to hack the UK census or where…

LulzSec The Lulz Boat

Just saw the pastebin of the UK census hack. That wasn't us - don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first.

Re: LulzSec supposedly claims its biggest coup yet: The entire UK 2011 Census

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Post by aparadja »

joejohnson wrote: post #122
someone13 wrote: post #113

According to their Twitter, they haven't hacked the Census. Seems like someone was spreading false information... See: https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83168314527981568 https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83167715799470080 EDIT: Those tweets were deleted. Here's the official word: "Just saw the pastebin of the UK census hack. That wasn't us - don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first…

When you post a tweet, how much information does twitter have about you? An IP adress, what platform you use, etc. I'm just curious, because Lulzsec posts frequently and I wonder if law enforcement could subpoena twitter in attempts to catch these people.

I'm sure they aren't connecting to twitter directly.

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Post by qF »

joejohnson wrote: post #122
someone13 wrote: post #113

According to their Twitter, they haven't hacked the Census. Seems like someone was spreading false information... See: https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83168314527981568 https://twitter.com/#!/LulzSec/status/83167715799470080 EDIT: Those tweets were deleted. Here's the official word: "Just saw the pastebin of the UK census hack. That wasn't us - don't believe fake LulzSec releases unless we put out a tweet first…

When you post a tweet, how much information does twitter have about you? An IP adress, what platform you use, etc. I'm just curious, because Lulzsec posts frequently and I wonder if law enforcement could subpoena twitter in attempts to catch these people.

During the 'hunt' for Wikileaks the U.S. has subpoenaed Twitter for info about supposed supporters.[1] In the case of Lulzsec this will have very little use though, as they use VPN's to hide their IP [2].

[1] http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/01/twitter/

[2] http://lulzsecexposed.blogspot.com/2011/06/scared-puppies.ht...

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Post by rlpb »

chrisjsmith wrote: post #119
estel wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably they put it out for tender and got the best package that they could. Isn't that what we'd expect a Government to do? Tender jobs out to the private sector and choose the provider that offers the best value for money? It's not as if Lockheed Martin are a particularly insecure or untrustworthy company to hold private data.

LM have a terrible reputation. Google around.

Is there any Government IT contractor that doesn't have a terrible reputation?

Government contracts are a pain to do. Most of the work is in jumping through hoops rather than actually doing the work. Most (all?) competent companies avoid Government work for this reason, making it very difficult to get any Government IT work done well.

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Post by fendale »

lmz wrote: post #117
fendale wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For SQL use prepared statements exclusively (never let "oh, it's just a number so I don't need to" fool you) I cannot vote this up enough. Also, depending on what database you are using (eg Oracle) if you don't use prepared statements (aka bind variables) you are guarantee killing your DB performance. People have argued with me in the past that for things like sorting the data they cannot use bind variables. In tha…

On the other hand some uses of bind variables can kill performance: http://www.dbspecialists.com/specialists/specialist2003-11.h...

Well, yes, but only when your data is skewed in general. Tom Kyte gives a 1 - 2 hour presentation about bind variables, bind variable peeking, overbinding, SQL Injection, parsing etc - great stuff if you are an Oracle guy and can get to one of this seminars.

Re: LulzSec supposedly claims its biggest coup yet: The entire UK 2011 Census

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Post by chrisjsmith »

rlpb wrote: post #126
chrisjsmith wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LM have a terrible reputation. Google around.

Is there any Government IT contractor that doesn't have a terrible reputation? Government contracts are a pain to do. Most of the work is in jumping through hoops rather than actually doing the work. Most (all?) competent companies avoid Government work for this reason, making it very difficult to get any Government IT work done well.

That is a fair point.

I've always thought that the government should have their own IT agency. The NHS would do well to fire all the paid up consultants and commercial software and start a Google-style technology cooperative and share their results to other agencies. The NHS has the biggest IT problem of all and with the right minds on the job we'd have massive progress in the organisation and some serious advances in computer science to boot.

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Post by Andrew_Quentin »

mquander wrote: post #109
Andrew_Quentin wrote: post #104

Such a shame. Anonymous had a lot of support for their attacks on Mastercard et. al. People, not just the programmers demographic, were seeing them as civil disobedience through the internet and hailing them for taking a right cause, namely against dirty, probably unconstitutional, certainly unethical attacks on wikileaks by numerous powerful groups. What's more, anonymous was seen as more powerful than such groups o…

Give me a break. There are no ideals, and it's not a conspiracy. It's just a bunch of trolls on summer vacation. They are doing it because they don't really care to consider consequences when they choose to do something. Mystery solved by Occam's Razor. If you didn't know that lots of people like to do mean, pointless things all day for no reason, then welcome to 4chan, you may or may not enjoy your stay.

I thought the actions of anonymous did have ideals. They were protecting free speech through disobedience.

I've seen 4 chan. Its no more than the corner teenagers playing around. They may once in a while break a window, or inconvenience some person, but they do not go to steal banks, or hit a police officer. All that is metaphors obviously, perhaps imperfect metaphors.

All I am saying is that I, we, do not know who or what Lulsecs is. Anonymous is everyone. You can apparently just enlist your computer towards some action. Lulzsecs is who?

Considering what happened to wikileaks why is there no probability, though slight, that it may be some dirty trick?

For example, anonymous is everyone right? Yet this guy who has been arrested, the "lulzsec mastermind", is apparently someone who has connections with anonymous.

Moreover, since lulzec appears to logically have no motive to take such a grave risk, as shown by someone who just got arrested individual and may possibly rot in jail, but many groups have an interest to get rid of anonymous, thus would want to blur the lines and sway the public opinion, I think there is at least some probability that they have been either corrupted or are affiliated.

I'd rather keep an open mind. We'll probably learn much more once this Lulzsec guy goes to trial, hopefully here in Britain, rather than extradited to some extrajurisdictional American prison, or offered a job in some company.

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