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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by dang » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:27 PM UTC

ta20210405 wrote: post #105

patorjk wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, you left off the next sentence, which is very important: > Whether Rogan understood that several dozen shows were being removed — and may still be getting removed — is also unclear. 42 of his shows have been removed. Even out of 1631 shows, that seems like more than a few. For $100 million he may not care, but for general listeners its a little unnerving that Spotify would be doing this. I'm a grown adult, I ca…

>I'm a grown adult, I can decide what I want to listen to - why are they getting in the way? Just wait, someone will come around and inform you how deciding what you want to listen to is "whiteness", and you're "white supremacy adjacent" for not supporting the removal of this racist, transphobic hate speech that's violence against BIPOCs and minorities.

We've banned this account for using HN for ideological flamewar. Would you please not create accounts to do that with? It's off topic, regardless of which ideology you're flaming.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sn_master » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:28 PM UTC

tartoran wrote: post #74

k_bx wrote: post #51

Off-topic but still makes me sad: Spotify removed all episodes of Joe Rogan for me by removing podcasts feature from Ukrainian (and not only) users. I’m a paid user btw. Worst part is that since JRE is free for such large part of internet users, it’s impossible to find on torrents unless it’s Elon Musk or similar. Sigh.

Can you find it on Youtube?

He stopped uploading full episodes since beginning of this year. Only select clips get uploaded now. Good amount of comments is about lack of comments in Spotify. A lot of us come to a video mostly to interact with the comments, as we already are familiar with the content.

Different channels have entirely different comments. e.g. same piece on CNN will have VERY different view points vs the same video posted on Fox News.

Channels like Joe Rogan are good in that you can find a more balanced comment section with both opposing viewpoints being respected or disrespected, more or less equally.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by redmeatforchina » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

snicksnak wrote: post #96

nickysielicki wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

The ironic part is that even the most liberal anti-republican types are made miserable by woke employees. I worked at a tech company that went through the exact process you described. Liberal Democrat types used to keep politics out of the workplace for the most part. Then they started hiring woke brainwashed college students who aligned with them ideologically but not procedural. Now instead of the daily chat at the water cooler, we have employees screaming at meetings about the latest outrage, taking days off because something happened in the news, and crying when being woke doesn't help their performance reviews. Everybody is miserable and managers are fleeing.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by aksss » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

bibinou wrote: post #4

Seems like it's regulars getting nixed. Maybe they asked for a cut of the money?

Or maybe Joe has less idle cycles, or maybe some of them are actually put off by the sell out. many things could be at play there.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by nickysielicki » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

bootwoot wrote: post #117

nickysielicki wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been reported in the past that it is staff. Spotify has 5,000+ employees -- I wouldn't assume for a second that it's the tech workers doing this, I suspect it's probably HR and marketing and so on. It's a big bureaucratic organization. I like to think if I was at Spotify, and I saw people holding the company hostage like this -- threatening to quit (or whatever) if they don't get their way -- that I would stand…

Is there a source for this? Seems way more likely to be monetarily pushed by either investors or advertisers (as other poster said) or at least pre-emptively done to appease those groups.

Source: https://www.vice.com/en/article/xg8jq4/spotify-joe-rogan-tra...

> One of the submitted questions was "Many LGBTQAI+/ally Spotifiers feel unwelcome and alienated because of leadership's response in JRE conversations. What is your message to those employees?" Another was “Why has Spotify chosen to ignore Spectrum ERG's guidance about transphobic content in the JRE catalog?,” referring to a group of Spotify workers who focus on related issues.

> At the meeting, Ek also told employees not to leak to the media, noting "If we can't have open, confidential debates, we will have to move those discussions to closed doors."

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by golemiprague » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:29 PM UTC

GhostVII wrote: post #104

I don't know why Spotify removes Joe Rogan episodes, but keeps homophobic songs like "Where the hood at" (particularly relevant today) on the platform. Pretty sure that song is far worse than anything said on Rogan. I guess that song is older than Rogan's podcast episodes, and music isn't usually as serious as a podcast. But still kinda funny they remove Joe Rogan episodes, but allows songs talking about how they won…

Their political opinions are pretty clear, it has nothing to do with principles, just which team you choose. They chose the "progressive" and that means certain content done by white people is taboo while whatever black people do is ok. No surprises here

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by sn_master » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:33 PM UTC

jordache wrote: post #49

AzzieElbab wrote: post #19

One day I will also buy something for 100M just to slowly nullify its value

The 10 mins of ads preceding every JRE episode (which is PIA to skip in 30sec increments on my apple watch) is one reason i stopped listening. Oh and the fact that almost every guest is a comedian or MME fighter.. two categories that are barely compelling to me.

> almost every guest is a comedian or MME fighter.

I always skip both, yet sure spent many many hours watching JRE.

Top viewed videos guests are (just pulled it right now from PowerJRE channel, in order of view count)

https://www.youtube.com/c/joerogan/videos?view=0&sort=p&flow...

* Elon Musk

* Alex Jones

* Edward Snowden

* Ben Shapiro

* Neil deGrasse Tyson

* Michael Osterholm (Biden's top COVID advisor a year before he got that position)

* Bernie Sanders

* Kanye West

* Robert Downey Jr.

* Dr Phill

And the list goes on. All comedians and MMA fighters are at the bottom of the view count, easy to skip if you just sort the views.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by txsoftwaredev » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

Nbbbi wrote: post #38

type in the N word to Spotify — prepared to be shocked. on IG (soundcloud) I noticed some wildly racist old song. music is exempt from social justice but open discussion and bad jokes are not.

Spotify employees seem to have no issue with songs about killing police, assaulting women, bashing gays etc. Just listen to a mainstream rapper like Eminem and there is plenty to get offended about, if they cared too.

A tame lyric for example:

“But I may fight for gay rights, especially if that dyke is more of a knockout than Janay Rice/Play nice? Bitch I’ll punch Lana Del Rey right in the face twice, like Ray Rice in broad daylight in the plain sight of the elevator surveillance/’Til her head is banging on the railing, then celebrate with the Ravens.”

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by k_bx » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

sn_master wrote: post #115

k_bx wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried, but it just thinks I'm travelling. To get podcasts, you need a US credit card.

This is one reason I hope BitCoin gets more adoption.

I would rather move towards less discrimination based on person's nationality not because it’s impossible but because it’s not great morally.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by softwaredoug » Fri, Apr 09, 2021, 9:35 PM UTC

idownvoted wrote: post #69

Whom does Spotify try to aquisice here? Their users? Their content creators? Or rather their staff? All 3 groups could be possible reasons. But given how little median content creators matter to the organization, users and staff are more likely. But if it were the users, then why buy Joe Rogan's users at all? Especially at a record braking price? This makes me believe it's more likely staff. If that is the case one h…

This feels like a lot of speculation without evidence. According to the article, nobody knows what's happening and why.