The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland • Hacker News Board

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by mustafa_pasi » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 10:41 PM UTC

FabHK wrote: post #118

orhmeh09 wrote: post #65

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Also a hotspot for drugs trafficking, yet with a pristine official record of corruption, ranking as one of the ten least corrupt countries in the world. These seem incongruous, somehow.

Not incongruous, I think. By basically legalising drugs, prostitution, and similar victimless peccadillos (and focusing on treatment and support instead), you destroy the mob's business model, reduce opportunity for corruption, and allow cops to concentrate on real crime.

But actually the opposite is happening in the Netherlands.

There are drug labs basically everywhere in the countryside.

All global organized crime syndicates have a local presence.

With regards to prostitution, human trafficking has actually increased and prostitutes get imported and pimped out. Half the business is legal so the police have even less incentive to care, especially if the victim and the pimp are both foreign. Basically free tax money and no harm (to ethnic Dutch people).

There's also lots of arms trafficking.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by xur17 » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 10:44 PM UTC

egypturnash wrote: post #120

nightwing wrote: post #93

I would agree if the questions was about helping to catch someone who had made these videos. But hosting isn't a morality question, they are just storing a number, and hosting company should not have to care what interpretations of a number can exist.

Okay, what’s your social security number, legal name, and date of birth? It’s just a number, you shouldn’t have any problem sharing all of those.

Honestly, we shouldn't have to worry about publishing those, but banks like to use them as "proof of identity" for some stupid reason, so sharing them can cause problems.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by anonAndOn » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 10:47 PM UTC

nightwing wrote: post #109

kernoble wrote: post #102

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So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

Anytime those images/videos are shared you are victimizing the abused.

Disagree? I would love to see enablers/apologists put some skin in the game (pun intended) and start posting some of their favorite images of them getting abused. Let's see some of that philosophy in action!

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by FabHK » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 10:49 PM UTC

mustafa_pasi wrote: post #121

FabHK wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not incongruous, I think. By basically legalising drugs, prostitution, and similar victimless peccadillos (and focusing on treatment and support instead), you destroy the mob's business model, reduce opportunity for corruption, and allow cops to concentrate on real crime.

But actually the opposite is happening in the Netherlands. There are drug labs basically everywhere in the countryside. All global organized crime syndicates have a local presence. With regards to prostitution, human trafficking has actually increased and prostitutes get imported and pimped out. Half the business is legal so the police have even less incentive to care, especially if the victim and the pimp are both f…

Oh wow, I didn't realise it was so bad.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

nightwing wrote: post #109

kernoble wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a bookstore is just selling colored pieces of paper, even if those pieces of paper are images of child abuse? Seriously what is wrong with you? I get that cryto-anarchist are hip and think they're so cool, but there is a real human cost here. Are you OK with that?

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

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Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by chr1 » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

smhost wrote: post #115

nightwing wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Images of child abuse are not child abuse. Instead of wasting energy on fighting with windmills and numbers, it would be better to concentrate efforts on catching child abusers, and keeping an eye on people who buy such books, to prevent crimes. The argument is exactly the same as the argument for not banning alcohol, decriminalizing drugs etc. Fight against actual crime instead of wasting resources on ineffective me…

> Images of child abuse are not child abuse have you talked to those children and asked whether or not they think publically displaying and selling images of their abuse is abuse?

Do you mean that images that are hand drawn or generated by neural net should be handled differently?

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by luxuryballs » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 11:04 PM UTC

cbozeman wrote: post #94

radicalbyte wrote: post #12

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A version of Buzzfeed who put letter bombs through left-winger's mailboxes, regularly make death threats to left-wing politicians and generally act like a they're living in some third world anarchist state.

Anarchists don't want states. That's the whole point of being an anarchist.

Yet there’s also nothing stopping some people from forming a very large HOA... I always thought anarchy was what we already had.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by inetknght » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 11:05 PM UTC

JeremyBanks wrote: post #88

vimax wrote: post #82

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I might care more once laws start protecting children from those in power more than used by those in power as a ploy to dismantle privacy from ordinary people.

Have you seen the news about the child predator congressman facing imminent indictment?

"Imminent indictment" isn't an indictment. It's just a tabloid headline.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by 542458 » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 11:09 PM UTC

stingraycharles wrote: post #62

t0mas88 wrote: post #2

North Holland is quickly rising in datacenter fame... They also have an ongoing conflict between local and higher level government about Microsoft building a huge datacenter and using all their renewable (wind) energy.

Can confirm, it’s kind of ridiculous to build all kinds of renewable energy sources only to have them cause a massive increase in datacenter electricity usage, because they want to become 100% renewable. It would maybe be OK if they weren’t subsidized as heavily.

Honestly, this sounds like a “don’t hate the player, hate the game” thing to me. If you subsidize something, IMO it should come as no surprise that people want to take advantage of that subsidy. If people they don’t want to use that subsidy are using it, they probably should have written the terms and conditions more explicitly.

Re: The cesspool of the internet is to be found in a village in North Holland

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Post by InCoffeeWeTrust » Sat, Apr 03, 2021, 11:11 PM UTC

Almost every entity has oversight measures implemented to safeguard it from criminal negligence.

The laws in the Netherlands need to be updated to ensure that data hosting centres and their owners can't get away with criminal negligence.

And to everyone complaining about this with a "but my free speech" excuse - there are extensive legal procedures which ensure that allegations of criminal negligence are conducted openly and fairly.

How the Netherlands managed to avoid creating criminal negligence laws for these scenarios is beyond me.

If the laws did exist, they would require data centres to be aware of the content which is hosted and promptly remove clients if the law is violated. No, this isn't "snooping" or an infringement on your "free speech" - in fact, these measures ensure that free speech flourishes while removing the illegal garbage.

Now, once again, is the rebuttal of "but the government uses laws to unfairly censor people" - so then are you all for not having any laws? We have laws, they work - even though governments have abused them. But the answer is not to stop having laws.