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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by rootusrootus »

mrkramer wrote: post #73
SirSavary wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You better hope that the judge handling your case doesn't stumble upon this comment thread. Your lack of Mens Rea isn't going to fly if you're caught meta-discussing the whole thing. Also, manslaughter?

I'm not a lawyer but am I guilty because I want my human rights and my freedom of choice? Should I blame you or any other person of spreading STDs for example? Or any other disease without intent or knowledge? I welcome any legal advice because I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone.

> I have no INTENTION of HARMING anyone.

I feel the same way when I'm doing 150mph down the highway. And yet...

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by hinkley »

insickness wrote: post #2

"From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither…

There's a concept in domestication that it's not always clear in a symbiotic relationship as to which party is in 'control' of the relationship, especially when one party gets a huge boost in reproductive rates from the other. Did humans domesticate dogs, or did dogs domesticate humans?

Viruses are specialized. They won't attack aliens. Bacteria might. It's the fungi in many respects that are the masters of this planet. If we manage to destroy ourselves so badly that we take out most multicellular organisms as well, it'll be the fungi that rebuild the ecology.

It'll probably be the fungi that the aliens have to worry about too.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by kbelder »

_zn02 wrote: post #34
guscost wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny, I’m the opposite. I would have no significant reservations if it wasn’t for the creepy fascist vibe oozing from beneath the facade of “science”. As it stands, I’ll go to war today and die to guarantee my and your and everyone’s right to refuse, should TPTB actually try anything that stupid. Shouldn’t be a problem though, the people in favor seem to be mostly bullies making noise. They tend to shut up when you…

"I believe the vaccine works and I'll die for your right not to take it" is one hell of a take, and I'm just happy there really aren't that many of you out there. You may want to remove the link in your profile where you express skepticism that we'll hit millions of deaths worldwide, as it's going to make people question your already questionable viewpoints even more.

That's my stance. I'll get vaccinated, I'd recommend it to others, but wouldn't want to live in a society where it was mandatory.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by gavinhoward »

Tagbert wrote: post #98
gavinhoward wrote: post #94

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Not the GP, but I have a question for you: if the vaccine works, why would I be putting others in danger by not getting it? Can't they get vaccinated instead? If they can't, doesn't that just mean the vaccine is defective? As far as I know, vaccines are meant for those who are weaker, so if they can't get it, it seems to me that the vaccine is defective. Also, the CDC has admitted that the asymptomatic transmission r…

If we have a significant population of unvaccinated people, that provides the breeding ground for the virus to multiply and mutate into new strains that may bypass the current vaccine induced immunity which would require yet another round of vaccines.

Vaccinated people are still breeding grounds for a virus; they can still be carriers. Vaccines just give people the antibodies to not be affected by a virus.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by hinkley »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #112

I always wondered why religious pilgrimages and retreats where so common back in the history. The motivation is often some sort of healing. Sunshine, Mountain or Forest air is described in literature as things to seek when sick. Just curious if for example molds found in forest air, might play a similar function. Or perhaps being in close contact being exposed to bacteria from other people. Or if viruses can swap gen…

Exposure to forests improves mood. Mood affects outcomes. It's a question of whether the exertion of going somewhere healthier is great enough to kill you (and if anyone attributes your death to the attempt, which I don't think we always did).

Also post-industrial Europe and especially London had awful, awful air quality. I'll bet if you look at the 'seasons' for going to Bath, for instance, that they overlapped with the worst weather for creating smog in London.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by behringer »

gher-shyu3i wrote: post #101
WhompingWindows wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"the tiniest creatures God in his wisdom put upon this earth" The writing is nice but flawed. Since War of the Worlds, we have advanced tremendously and no longer need intelligent design or creation myths to explain microorganisms. Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of…

Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by dehrmann »

hinkley wrote: post #122
insickness wrote: post #2

"From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither…

There's a concept in domestication that it's not always clear in a symbiotic relationship as to which party is in 'control' of the relationship, especially when one party gets a huge boost in reproductive rates from the other. Did humans domesticate dogs, or did dogs domesticate humans? Viruses are specialized. They won't attack aliens. Bacteria might. It's the fungi in many respects that are the masters of this plan…

> which party is in 'control' of the relationship

Any one taking care of a cat knows this well.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by hinkley »

mrkramer wrote: post #120
nomy99 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do understand that nature/evolution's plan or 'solution' can be to eradicate you?

Should I cry that mother nature doesn't like me? It's not like I can do something about natural disaster(hurricane, flood, earthquake, volcano eruption etc.) killing me.

So centuries of civil engineering advances by the Netherlands and Japan don't count as 'doing something'?

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by dehrmann »

etiam wrote: post #3

Maybe this could be an explanation for the most unexpected dip in COVID-19 infection around January. Does data for rhinovirus infections get collected to such an extent that it would be possible to compare curves?

Flu cases are way down, so by proxy, I'd assume colds are also down unless a lot more people got flu shots this season.
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