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In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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> the zero-click search problem is likely to rise even more I have a hard time seeing this as a problem.

As a user? sure.

People who create and curate content quite often want to be paid for their work, they create businesses to support themselves, often in the form of a website. If Google scrapes and repackages that content, so the searcher never even visits the creator's site, what incentive does the creator have to continue making content freely available?

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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post #76

Anyone have any opinions on the state of image search? What do you use? I find Google Image search, which I used to love, filled with absolute garbage now. 90% of links are to Pinterest which greets you with usual overlays, signup modals etc. I use DDG's image search because I find Google's search unusable. Also, Yandex image search is probably the best reverse image search on the market. It's crazy how much better i…

It's not that google isn't capable of providing much better search. It's that they are driven by interests other than the users actually doing the search. Google has some of the most advanced tech and engineers in the world. But they also have an endless list of issues they must address - no facial recognition, no racial bias, no sexual content, filtering specific politics, supporting partners, etc.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Many moons ago, I put a ton of work into a (now defunct) content site that provided specific information in a small vertical. Each post took hours, but I enjoyed writing the articles, and the revenue from the ads was enough to enjoy a little extra cash every month (we're talking just about enough to cover a car payment, for context). Google decided they liked a lot of the content and started providing it in their kno…

It’s hard to see how this isn’t anticompetitive. Using their market power in search to show their own ads but prevent anyone navigating to view any others seems like something that should end up in court.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Google results have gotten dramatically worse over this last decade. Google now seems to fixate on the most common terms in my query and returns the most generic results for my geographic area. And, it seems like quotes and the old google-fu techniques are just ignored or are no longer functional. There are a whole host of factors behind this, but I'm certain that the switch to Natural Language Processing / Semantic…

When I search Google now I mostly get spam. “Product vs. Product” -> list of spam websites that just show them side by side with ads. “Product Review” -> same as above, spam. “Product referral code” -> sites with spam and no codes. Interesting web content is in Reddit (and youtube), Google exists as a tool to search Reddit since the “new” Reddit site is awful. Programming questions are mostly stack overflow, but occa…

For pretty much any product or review related search I just do " reddit" and then scour the somewhat up voted posts for information. Have to deal with tons of dead links though for any post older than a couple of years. The Web really seems like it's an awful place. The original dream of hyper links is really dead. It's all about jumping from walled garden to walled garden through tricks and luck.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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All of my Google searches have now ended. I use DuckDuckGo exclusively, and while there was a time when I used to add !g to about every tenth search, I have not felt that need more than about once a week for several months now. DuckDuckGo is simply enough improved, and Google enough worsened, that it's not worth it anymore. From my point of view, Google has blown the vast advantage they had, and is now second-best.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Article says clicks to other Google properties don't count as clicks. I would be curious how many searches end up in a click to YouTube. I know my fraction has gone up over time as it's more likely someone has put up a video about some finer point of one of my hobbies than it is they post a blog. At least in these cases the content creator can often still monetize these searches.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

#127

Google results have gotten dramatically worse over this last decade. Google now seems to fixate on the most common terms in my query and returns the most generic results for my geographic area. And, it seems like quotes and the old google-fu techniques are just ignored or are no longer functional. There are a whole host of factors behind this, but I'm certain that the switch to Natural Language Processing / Semantic…

When I search Google now I mostly get spam. “Product vs. Product” -> list of spam websites that just show them side by side with ads. “Product Review” -> same as above, spam. “Product referral code” -> sites with spam and no codes. Interesting web content is in Reddit (and youtube), Google exists as a tool to search Reddit since the “new” Reddit site is awful. Programming questions are mostly stack overflow, but occa…

IMO Google Image search has gone down hill significantly too. Getting full pages of pinterest results was bad enough but now on my phone you have to scroll past multiple screens worth of Google Shopping ads or images tagged with the "Product" icon before you see any actual, organic photos of the thing you're looking for.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

#128

Google results have gotten dramatically worse over this last decade. Google now seems to fixate on the most common terms in my query and returns the most generic results for my geographic area. And, it seems like quotes and the old google-fu techniques are just ignored or are no longer functional. There are a whole host of factors behind this, but I'm certain that the switch to Natural Language Processing / Semantic…

Google doesn’t want people to find alternative sources for news, healthcare, and politics. They now force all the mainstream sources to the top, regardless of whether the search terms entered have any relation to the actual results. And this seems to have carried over to other subjects as well, because I can never find obscure pages any more. This should destroy Google, but for some reason it doesn’t, and it baffles…

This is has been my experience as well. When I search using very specific terms for a any topic tangentially related to something popular, all I get is the News articles.

I suspect it is because the best sources of information do not serve adds, but news, spam, and social media do.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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post #82

Google results have gotten dramatically worse over this last decade. Google now seems to fixate on the most common terms in my query and returns the most generic results for my geographic area. And, it seems like quotes and the old google-fu techniques are just ignored or are no longer functional. There are a whole host of factors behind this, but I'm certain that the switch to Natural Language Processing / Semantic…

Dramatically worse... if that's true, then I wonder how good they were a decade ago. Because every search I've done today produced the result I wanted on the first page of the results, above the fold. I can't say I've really counted how many days that's true. I can't even say that I really remember what searches I did yesterday or the day before. But if I'm not totally weird and google searches were dramatically bett…

> Dramatically worse... if that's true, then I wonder how good they were a decade ago.

Oh, I forget some people doesn't know why Google enjoy their current position:

Back before 2007 they completely blew competition out of the water:

If something was accessible on the Internet and wasn't behind a noindex spell, Google would find it.

Compared to other search engines that both then and now work more like Google does today it was totally amazing.

Then things started to go sideways:

- first there was: did you mean ? (this was actually user friendly)

- then there was: we didn't find many results for so we included , use double quotes to search for ""

- then there was fuzzing: expnding all my search terms into the unrecognizable unless I double quoted them

- and the latest few years they have also ignored my double quotes

somewhere in between there they messed up the + operator that used to mean "make sure this term is included" as well as ~ that used to mean I wanted Google to fuzz that term.

Sometimes I can get better results by trying to think how my wife would phrase the question, i.e. instead of searching for

- mispeling from a dialog box>

I search for

- mispeling from a dialog box>

But other times nothing works.

Re: In 2020, two thirds of Google searches ended without a click

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Many moons ago, I put a ton of work into a (now defunct) content site that provided specific information in a small vertical. Each post took hours, but I enjoyed writing the articles, and the revenue from the ads was enough to enjoy a little extra cash every month (we're talking just about enough to cover a car payment, for context). Google decided they liked a lot of the content and started providing it in their kno…

Knowing the way they are, you might want to consider applying for a job and telling that story during the interviews.
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