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Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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Post by umvi »

octopoc wrote: post #106

> “One of the most difficult challenges I work with are the effects from pornography,” Gibson said. “Average age of first exposure, which is often accidental, is 10 to 11 years old. Anything we can do to help prevent that puts us in a proactive rather than a defensive position. I'm sure many of us can confirm exposure at such a young age. My friends and I were all exposed around that age. I hate the fact that I was e…

> But when a right enables suffering and wrongdoing on a large scale, it's time to rethink that right

Counter argument - alcohol? Right to buy and drink booze enables suffering and wrongdoing on a large scale, but banning it was a disaster. Maybe something like regulating marketing would be more effective, but an outright ban would not work.

At any rate, I don't deny porn can be addictive and have negative effects for many people, but I don't think it necessarily should be forced upon everyone by the government IMO. If you want to block pornography in your household, setup a pi hole and grab a blocklist from GitHub that has the top million porn domains.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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Post by Jtsummers »

imwillofficial wrote: post #111
Buttons840 wrote: post #78

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I grew up Mormon and know that consensual sex between mature adults is often considered to be second only to murder in its "sinfulness". I expect this teaching mixed with accidental porn encounters doesn't help.

I studied with Mormons for a year just out of curiosity, and didn’t get that vibe at all. The people I met were big on the “be fruitful and multiply” thing. Porn is terrible for human beings on like a million different levels, especially the young and under developed brains, and none of those reasons are religious. Just biologically it’s like a diet of sugar to a child, equally poisonous.

> I studied with Mormons for a year just out of curiosity, and didn’t get that vibe at all. The people I met were big on the “be fruitful and multiply” thing.

within marriage to someone of the opposite sex, a critical detail for Mormons and Catholics. Do almost anything you want in the bedroom as long as you're a heterosexual, married couple working to make babies.

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Post by jackson1442 »

ReactiveJelly wrote: post #74
junipertea wrote: post #63

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Most of us millennials grew up around near unlimited amount of free online pornography and we turned out pretty functional. It might help a lot to have functioning sex education from parents instead of pretending it does not exist.

And if the parents fail that (as they do), functioning sex education from schools and non-profits is a decent fallback.

Right-o, if we keep up with this "IF YOU HAVE SEX, YOU'LL DIE AND BURN IN HELL" curriculum (if you can even call it that), we're only compounding these problems. It's time to get over ourselves and start preparing teens to have safe sex instead of saying "no don't do it" because that just means they'll have unsafe sex.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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Post by fshbbdssbbgdd »

bitdizzy wrote: post #109
fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #34

Let’s compare these sets of people: 1. who reacts most strongly to this story about deplatforming porn 2. who reacts most strongly to stories about deplatforming hate speech and incitement And try to figure out if the two groups have different principles about free expression, or perhaps the principles are irrelevant and only function as justifications when convenient for some kind of tribalism.

What do you mean by tribalism? What is inconsistent about thinking hate speech should be deplatformed and porn shouldn't be? Or vice versa? It seems to me like you're implying that the only reasonable and honest principle of free expression is completely absolute and anything else is cynical. People can agree on the value of free expression and agree that there should be limits which align with their values while the…

I think it’s consistent to believe that free expression allows for deplatforming, and then to have a belief about when deplatforming is necessary.

I don’t think it’s consistent to think that deplatforming is wrong, but only when the type of deplatforming that was most recently brought to your attention is a kind you don’t like.

I think “free expression” in this context is more like a tool for argumentation than a real principle that people hold, so people forget about it when convenient. (people who always or never support deplatforming get points for consistency)

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Post by giantg2 »

jorblumesea wrote: post #69
lotsofpulp wrote: post #17

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GOP policies have never been “small government” (in my life). They just like to say it.

Everyone wants whatever type of government to push the issues they care about. Dems want small government when it comes to marijuana legalization, but also the Federal government should set education curriculum across the entire country or enforce country wide mask mandates. GOP wants states to be able to ban abortions and teach creationism, but chafes at the idea that states could legalize marijuana unilaterally. It…

I'm not sure this statement is correct.

"Dems want small government when it comes to marijuana legalization..."

This isn't really true. The legalization involves local and state regulation and taxes. Sure, the law is more lenient in that one can legally sell and buy the product, but it comes with substantially more regulation (you now need a department to do inspections audits etc).

"chafes at the idea that states could legalize marijuana unilaterally"

Technically they can't legalize it. They can do so at the state level, but it can still be illegal at the federal level. The thing is, the feds don't have the resources to enforce all the laws they make.

I do agree that most political parties and figures can be hypocritical.

Re: Utah bill would require activated porn filter software on new phones, tablets

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Post by kube-system »

rootusrootus wrote: post #9

I thought Utah was a GOP state? What happened to 'small government'? This seems like shoving gov't down your throat.

Utah politics have a unique religious aspect to them. The majority of Utah residents belong to a religion which only 1.8% of the US population as a whole follows.

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Post by umvi »

ceejayoz wrote: post #104
umvi wrote: post #98

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> Mormon is an effective short form of "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", which is a mouthful. I agree, but they've asked not to be referred to by that term. If we extend the courtesy to trans people who don't want to be referred to by certain terms, I don't see why we shouldn't extend the same courtesy to religious people who don't want to be referred to by certain terms.

If trans people were asking to be referred to as "people who were assigned a gender at birth but do not identify with that gender now" instead of "men" or "trans men" or whatnot, one might object to the lengthiness of that, too.

"Latter-day Saint" is not that much of a mouthful. Neither is "Church of Jesus Christ", both of which are acceptable.

No worse than "I know I was called Fred in the past, but please call me Fredericka from now on"

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Post by vinger »

fshbbdssbbgdd wrote: post #34

Let’s compare these sets of people: 1. who reacts most strongly to this story about deplatforming porn 2. who reacts most strongly to stories about deplatforming hate speech and incitement And try to figure out if the two groups have different principles about free expression, or perhaps the principles are irrelevant and only function as justifications when convenient for some kind of tribalism.

Deplatforming anyone is foolish. Anyone who thinks otherwise will be deplatformed.
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