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Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by coldtea » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 3:05 PM UTC

sojournerc wrote: post #113

coldtea wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world, but loses his soul? It will profit them, well, the whole world. Duh! (Yeah, I know what the Christian sentiment means. But it requires the belief, if not in soul, in some trancedental good, for people to care about "loss of soul" over "gaining the world". Which, alas, we don't have as much...)

There's a secular interpretation too. What good is all the money in the world if you don't respect/ recognize yourself after you get it.

Well, there's the even more secural interpretation "who said I don't respect/recognize myself? Those 'morals' are just ideals and don't exist, meanwhile I have the world".

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by pbzcnepu » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 3:08 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #104

IEEE must purge him. Such conduct is infectious. If you don't oppose it, it invites other to both try, and ignore it.

the IEEE probably won't do anything. We've been trying for 2 years to even get an e-mail reply from them on the issue, let alone say anything useful. See the whole story here: https://pbzcnepu.net/isca/timeline.html

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by pbzcnepu » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 3:20 PM UTC

ISCA is a particularly horrible "top" conference. We've been trying to reproduce some papers with questionable methodology from ISCA'20 (including using "1 cycle access L1 cache" in simulations, something that's not really possible on modern CPUs).

Of 5 paper groups contacted, 4 have not responded despite repeated requests, even when VPs of research at the university contacted.

One group eventually replied, said that they were "too busy" to release their simulator changes, and then also saying they weren't going to because they were worried about it being classified as a munitions export.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by Vaslo » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 3:35 PM UTC

csfighers_0 wrote: post #25

Why did the University of Florida tolerant this and kind of keep protecting that professor?

Because his papers get them tons of grant money.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by Vaslo » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 3:38 PM UTC

I’m shocked at how little I can find about this. Maybe I’m naive but I thought there would be more coverage on what’s going on. Sadly it’s just this blogger, the school doesn’t seem to be commenting. What could take so long?

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by k33n » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 3:40 PM UTC

ojnabieoot wrote: post #119

jdthedisciple wrote: post #79

I never understand why phd students who are going through mental torture don't just quit their phd program. I mean ... noone can force you to finish a shi*y phd right? Why not just drop out and pursue sth that actually fulfills you? With your Masters degree / diploma in your pocket and the vast theoretical knowledge you have all doors standjng eide open for you, don't you?

As someone who quit a graduate program: - it looks really really really bad on your CV to not finish a graduate degree. I dropped out for health reasons with an A+ GPA and still have to delicately explain what happened to interviewers. It looks worse than just having a masters degree. - “just one more year of misery and then your career prospects will increase dramatically” is a very powerful argument and not just a…

> it looks really really really bad on your CV to not finish a graduate degree.

That's something people who have no real world experience say. For one thing, nobody is forcing you to put any information on your CV. Lastly, only the lowest of the low judge such things so harshly that they won't even interview you.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by bobthechef » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 4:00 PM UTC

woofie11 wrote: post #77

bachmeier wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I know academia being f’ed is a big part of it I'm sorry, but I have to strongly disagree with the way you've ended your comment. This lets the people responsible off the hook. The guilty party is an individual (and perhaps several individuals). Academia, peer review, conferences, and organizations didn't cause this. The professor was responsible. He wasn't just a cog in the system.

I went to MIT. MIT has procedures involving NDAs and non-disparage agreements to cover up academic fraud. Academic fraud widespread, at least in the departments I worked with, and the Institute can apply *a lot* of pressure to get people to shut up. Except for anonymous web forums, I did. I'm sorry, but this isn't letting the individuals off the hook, any more than accusing the KKK of being racist isn't letting a par…

Any worldly institution that operates this way will implode. Establishment academia has lost a great deal of clout, deservedly so. It's going to collapse sooner or later because people aren't intoxicated by the mirage of establishment academia like they used to be. Eventually, new schools and institutions will emerge that will better conform with human nature and human needs that will replace these obsolete and failed institutions of today. The example of the Benedictines is probably especially meaningful. When the Roman Empire fell, it was the Benedictines that preserved what they could and around which new communities formed that hunkered down for the long winter. European civilization then sprang from these Benedictine communities. And frankly, not just academia is collapsing, though academic rot is often one canary in a coal mine for other manifestations of cultural and social rot and itself a symptom of rot higher up the chain.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by AtlasBarfed » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 4:01 PM UTC

Meanwhile, I'd guess this will be branded a "bad apple", but of course the worst apple in the bunch is more of a sign of issues in the whole farm/system.

Of course colleges are overloaded with managerial vampires that are supposed to be overseeing this better than the old days where there wasn't as much tuition/loan money flowing through the system.

Higher ed administration is broken, financing is broken, research is broken, phd programs are broken, adjunct professorship is broken, there is corruption everywhere.

Edit: and I totally forgot... college sports.

Re: A Dishonest, Indifferent, and Toxic Culture

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Post by sampo » Sun, Feb 21, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

In a way, you have respect the integrity of the PhD student. But also, publishing a fraudulent conference paper in this field (neural networks), the real damage to anything is minimal.

Nobody expects a random paper in this field to be particularly true or useful. A lot of papers are trivial applications of old ideas, obfuscated behind complicated word soup. Or false good results due to buggy code, which you can never check because they don't publish the source code. Or useless or irreproducible due to many other reasons. The field produces also good results, but you need to follow bigger trends, as individual publications are mostly just noise.