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Re: Changes to sharing and viewing news on Facebook in Australia

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Could someone summarize both positions? It seems pretty reasonable to me - my understanding is that Australia wants Google and Facebook to pay lump sums to have their content on their platforms (as opposed to per-click). Google and Facebook can basically say yes or no. How is this different than, say, The New York Times saying the same thing about their content?

Because it is at odds with the grand idea of a beautiful open network and free flow of information^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W US-centric media machine governed by US law and exclusively celebrating US culture and western propaganda You are likely to find all kinds of explanations on this thread, but ultimately I believe the root cause is the above.

Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic or ideological flamewar. It makes discussion less curious, more tedious, and nastier. Instead, please make your substantive points thoughtfully and without that.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Changes to sharing and viewing news on Facebook in Australia

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post #54

Honestly wish Google did this as well instead of bowing down to unjust laws.

Who is deciding what laws are just? Hopefully not Google or Facebook, as they are amoral profit-motivated behemoths who will annex your home and life if they're allowed.

Most people would agree that paying for the obligation to drive traffic to someone else's business without a choice in the matter is unjust.

Re: Changes to sharing and viewing news on Facebook in Australia

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This unfortunately does nothing to stop disinformation actors with armies of bots and sockpuppet accounts. So the information content on fb has plunged even lower.

If might be a good thing overall though, because it might become clear that anything you see on fb isn't professionally developed news, whereas previously Breitbart/SkyNews/Pete fucking Evans got greater access to eyeballs than serious media like SMH/Guardian/ABC.

Re: Changes to sharing and viewing news on Facebook in Australia

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post #120

News adds little value to Facebook. I wonder how much of Facebook's engagement is actually from news versus user-generated content.

The post says news makes up 4% of the feed content.[0] [0] https://about.fb.com/news/2021/02/changes-to-sharing-and-vie...

What I'm looking for is what percentage of engagement is attributed to that 4% of the feed content.

Re: Changes to sharing and viewing news on Facebook in Australia

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm confused how you know that's not the truth. Why are the publishers posting on Facebook if not because they expect it'll get them more readers?

In some countries, Facebook has a monopoly in online distribution that publishers have no other choice aside from Facebook to get readers.

Is that because they're legally forbidden from setting up their own website or is it because they're unwilling to spend money on some decent developers and build a homepage worth checking everyday?

Re: Changes to sharing and viewing news on Facebook in Australia

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I haven't read the bill, but this looks like a huge win.

FB has abused our brain chemistry with addictive content. Their platform makes discussions more impulsive, passionate and careless not unlike any other addictive substance. People crave "the goods" ie browsing their bite sized feeds, and neglect the responsibility of actually learning about the news. Not unlike how if you're addicted to sugar/unhealthy foods you don't want your veggies.

This affects not only customers but news organizations. News orgs are forced to twist the truth to make their content more addictive in order to survive.

FB's double think comes out in this article. They attribute people's interest in the news to their platform. When in reality they almost certainly would have reached the news independently, and FB is an addictive and unnecessary additive to people's life.

I draw two conclusions from this:

1. FB is scared. The Australian government has found a weak point that causes FB to take a major hit to the breadth of their platform.

2. FB can no longer weaponize headlines. People will still discuss news in their own words or using fake sources, instead of impulse sharing actual news headlines. Headline quality will improve, meanwhile FB will remain a challenging place to discuss. People will now have the time to recognize headline quality and may even read the news without having the impulsive and addictive sharing option.

This is a hit to FB's reality bending brand. FB offers addictive and impulsive options for communicating, but they want us to think FB is an essential part of communicating. By not being allowed to share on FB, the addictive option is removed, and we can better experience the reality of how great the healthier options are.

Maybe we can live without sugar/FB. Maybe life will be better that way.

Re: Changes to sharing and viewing news on Facebook in Australia

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post #58

Can anybody explain to me what the problem is with Facebook et el driving traffic to news sites? Most of the times I visit newspapers websites I was sent there from social media.

The cynical streak in me would suggest that now is a popular time to criticize major tech organs for their relationship to news, and the Australian government is hoping to use that to funnel money from US companies to Australian ones.

If anything, US big tech is and has been siphoning money from the Australia news media for a decade.
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