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SDL Moves to GitHub

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Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by wdb »

PurpleFoxy wrote: post #16
rockooooo wrote: post #2

"So in moving it to GitHub, we’re finding that a lot of things are just nicer because a large paid staff of engineers is working on it every day. And I grew up during the heydey of the Free Software Foundation, so I know this is a trap, but I’m tired and don’t have the energy to be a server admin for something that’s held together with scotch tape and prayers when I’m really supposed to be writing OpenGL code." This…

Wonder why they did not pick GitLab since it is significantly better for FOSS ideals and has the same niceness of GitHub

Github Actions is already a good reason to use Github over Gitlab. Also the pricing is much better with Github even for Github Enterprise. All kind of normal features are behind a $99/user/month fee.

I don't understand why things like vulnerability scanning needs to cost $80 per user more and then at the same not supporting multiple report files as artefacts in monorepo.

Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by stock_toaster »

zokier wrote: post #57
rockooooo wrote: post #2

"So in moving it to GitHub, we’re finding that a lot of things are just nicer because a large paid staff of engineers is working on it every day. And I grew up during the heydey of the Free Software Foundation, so I know this is a trap, but I’m tired and don’t have the energy to be a server admin for something that’s held together with scotch tape and prayers when I’m really supposed to be writing OpenGL code." This…

Personally I find this far more worrisome signal of the health of foss ecosystem than the quibbles between elastic and amazon. To me the idea of software "by hackers for hackers" and scratching your own itch has always been one of the key attractions in FOSS ecosystem, but somehow now our itches seem to have outgrown our ability to scratch then. Doing almost anything yourself feels impractical these days. This is als…

These things go in cycles. Way back in the day, it felt like everyone used sourceforge.

Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by AceJohnny2 »

hyperion2010 wrote: post #107
zokier wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I find this far more worrisome signal of the health of foss ecosystem than the quibbles between elastic and amazon. To me the idea of software "by hackers for hackers" and scratching your own itch has always been one of the key attractions in FOSS ecosystem, but somehow now our itches seem to have outgrown our ability to scratch then. Doing almost anything yourself feels impractical these days. This is als…

For better or for worse, this is nothing new. It is a symptom of the fact that the FSF and other FOSS organizations have displayed a fantastic failure of technical leadership for over 3 decades. The political leadership has not been bad, but if you go back and dig through the history of open source you will see that there have been multiple repeated failures by the supposed thought leaders to provide the equivalent l…

It's particularly interesting, because the rise of GNU is because it was an overall better set of tools than what Unix vendors shipped (HP-UX, IBM AIX, Sun OS, SGi Irix...).

The age of web changed all of that. Instead of being stuck on your computer with whatever tools you could obtain for it, you could now access centrally-maintained, quality webservices.

The FSF realized the freedom risk that centrally-maintained services posed, and created stuff like the AGPL to address it, but there just isn't as much leverage for that to take off like the GPL did.

Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by encom »

genmud wrote: post #101
encom wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the Microsoft takeover, the platform is compromised. It seems people have very short memories.

Microsoft is a completely different company than it was even just 5 or 10 years ago. Saying that MS is an enemy of open source is uninformed at best and idiotic at worse. Do me a favor, look at Facebook [1], Apple [2], Amazon [3], Netflix [4] and Google [5]. Now tell me which one has more Open Source repos than MS [6]. I'll give you a hint... none of them. Sure, volume of open source repos may not be the best metric,…

>Microsoft is a completely different company than it was even just 5 or 10 years ago.

Counterpoint: No they aren't. Counting Git repos is totally nonsensical, and open sourcing their terminal is a meaningless gesture, but I guess that's enough to fool some people.

Microsoft has a very, very long history of being a shitty company. Fucking over DR DOS, fucking over Stac, war profiteering, patent trolling, up to the privacy dumpster fire that is Windows 10. That's just off the top of my head. And I've been around for all of it, so excuse me if I just don't fawn over Microsoft suddenly claiming to be the good guys now. Trust is hard to earn and easy to lose.

Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by HotVector »

qbasic_forever wrote: post #27
livvelupp wrote: post #20

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Just be aware that "boomer rant" creator made one of the most highly successful and used game development libraries in history. I would wager 75% of the games in your steam library use or depend on SDL in some way. Almost certainly most of the games from your childhood that you cherish and love have used SDL too. You should probably be thanking them for creating something that gave you joy at one time, and giving it…

I see where the SDL author is coming from, but is it really that hard to get local GitLab instance running? Or even just using GitLab? I saw other replies about how GitHub has a network of open source developers, but that didn't bother the SDL author before, and I don't see why it is bothering him now.

Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by h_anna_h »

slenk wrote: post #68
h_anna_h wrote: post #39

This is sad. It is as if we are going backwards, from an open source solution they decided to move to a closed ecosystem. They could at least use gitlab instead...

Well, GitLab has recently hiked up their prices. As a GitHub Pro user, my price has only ever gone down.

They could use the free version or self-host it.

Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by hyperion2010 »

messe wrote: post #114
hyperion2010 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have come to the conclusion that the only reason why things like flatpak and snap exist is because the ergonomics for creating and maintaining .deb packages is so awful.

Not just that. Application sandboxing is important too. The traditional unix approach of any process run by your user can access all your files is at odds with modern security concerns.

Sandboxing is an issue, though I would argue that sandboxing and packaging are orthogonal concerns, so a new format should not have been needed just for the sandboxing use case. That said, if you are developing sandboxing from scratch pretty much no sane person would choose to use the .deb workflow as their UI for packaging.

Re: SDL Moves to GitHub

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Post by charliebrownau »

hyperion2010 wrote: post #107
zokier wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I find this far more worrisome signal of the health of foss ecosystem than the quibbles between elastic and amazon. To me the idea of software "by hackers for hackers" and scratching your own itch has always been one of the key attractions in FOSS ecosystem, but somehow now our itches seem to have outgrown our ability to scratch then. Doing almost anything yourself feels impractical these days. This is als…

For better or for worse, this is nothing new. It is a symptom of the fact that the FSF and other FOSS organizations have displayed a fantastic failure of technical leadership for over 3 decades. The political leadership has not been bad, but if you go back and dig through the history of open source you will see that there have been multiple repeated failures by the supposed thought leaders to provide the equivalent l…

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