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Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by gumby »

Geminidog wrote: post #63
gumby wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's a bit zero sum. The world needs both to advance.

Obviously. When teams of people compete intensely , the collaboration within the teams themselves must be just as intense. I find it slightly offensive that someone would accuse me of discounting collaboration when 1. I never discounted it, 2. It's obvious that society is full of people who collaborate. In what universe are the words "zero sum" apt for my response? None. I never described a zero sum game. Obviously,…

> I find it slightly offensive that someone would accuse me of discounting collaboration when 1. I never discounted it, 2. It's obvious that society is full of people who collaborate. In what universe are the words "zero sum" apt for my response? None. I never described a zero sum game. Obviously, the replier added the description with his biased imagination.

You wrote, "Winner takes all" which seems pretty zero sum to me, hence my comment.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by rowanG077 »

midrus wrote: post #84

Linux might run, but good luck with the drivers. And good luck with it keeping working with future upgrades of both, hardware and software. Heck, even today it is pretty difficult to get things working reliably unless it is a thinkpad or some other Linux friendly brand. A Mac with subpar support for a webcam, energy saving, suspend/resume, the trackpad, brightness/volume controls, etc is not a laptop, it's an expensi…

I'm not sure why you are so pessimistic. There are many community supported linux devices that work fine. The Microsoft Surface line being a prominent example. There are patches available for all recent kernels. And afaik all generations are supported. Here custom drivers have also been written.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by Geminidog »

xu_ituairo wrote: post #74
Geminidog wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Obviously. When teams of people compete intensely , the collaboration within the teams themselves must be just as intense. I find it slightly offensive that someone would accuse me of discounting collaboration when 1. I never discounted it, 2. It's obvious that society is full of people who collaborate. In what universe are the words "zero sum" apt for my response? None. I never described a zero sum game. Obviously,…

> The more spiciness and completive things are the better the overall results. That line made you sound all-in on zero sum competition. But you’ve clarified now and softened it to say it can lead to beneficial results.

I never edited any of my posts. That line is just a fragment of the post, which specifically has this line:

“ We all like to think that collaboration, harmony and love drives innovation but much of innovation is built around intense rivalry and competition as well.”

Keyword here is “as well”. If you feel the need to respond or vote someone down please read the post carefully rather then respond or vote baselessly.

More clarification is necessary. Competition is the driver of natural selection. Your entire biological form exists as an evolution of winning traits because your ancestors out competed and defeated others who fought to reproduce so someone else could take your place.

Competition is therefore a primary driver of your existence while collaboration is secondary. It’s not that competition can lead to benefits, the phenomenon that occurs is that collaboration can actually work but only as a tertiary driver behind competition.

See communism if you want to know the results of a society formed with collaboration over competition as the primary driver.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by meibo »

titzer wrote: post #99
meibo wrote: post #97

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Even on old + modern thinkpads it feels like a lottery which hardware feature will stop working at a particular time, with the distros i've worked myself through. Ethernet, waking up from sleep mode, brightness adjustment... take your pick.

I discovered last week, to my chagrin, that the RAM on my x1 carbon Stinkpad was starting to fail--memtest x86+ confirmed it. Memory corruption is insidious, so I rushed to the internet to buy new DIMMs, opened the sucker up...and there's no DIMM. The RAM is just soldered into the motherboard. No upgrade, no fix. This is now a pile of unreliable junk that randomly flips bits in memory. So data evac commences, with MD…

I was more so referring to the Linux experience, haven't had any troubles with ThinkPad hardware as of yet but I know that there are complaints around it as of late :)

Though, if you want a serviceable system, I'd stay away from Apple - the RAM in your new M1 mac is actually included in the SoC, not sure how much you'd like to get in there!

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by reacharavindh »

RyJones wrote: post #112
CharlesW wrote: post #110

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> No one should be purchasing a brand new M1 Mac with the expectation of perfect Linux support any time soon. That's sound advice. As someone who doesn't use Linux as their daily driver, can I expect Linux to run perfectly in a VM on an M1 Mac?

I was able to install an ARM build of Ubuntu Server using the Parallels beta, and it works fine.

Good to hear this. I am waiting for my M1 Mac, and if I can get Linux arm64 virtual machines running for development purposes, I can hack the rest.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by iSnow »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #94
iSnow wrote: post #60

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Understandable and I was ready to buy a Dell XPS as I like the "small and light" form factor. I was just waiting for the COVID buy spike to subside and see how my financial situation would evolve. But I have pushed the decision back to see how Linux will be running on the M1. From first reports, it is simply tailor-made for a laptop computer that doesn't get burning hot or dog slow because of thermal throttling. I ho…

>I hope intel and to a lesser extend AMD are looking at this thing red-faced. But they will need some time to play catch-up. I think it raised their eyebrows a bit, but don't agree that they need some time to play catch-up. Bottom line is the vast majority of Intel and AMD chips are running Windows. You can't even buy Windows 10 for an ARM processor. Microsoft flirted with the idea at one point, but has pretty much a…

I wasn't talking about ARM chips in particular, but chips with great power management, chips that are able to pull great performance if it is required without hitting the thermal envelope instantly. Chips with a reasonably good GPU that doesn't exacerbate the thermal problems.

The M1 isn't a Xeon in disguise, it has its limitations. But for the sub-notebook form factor, it's in its own class and freaking intel can't match it. And they've been treading water since about 6y now.

Also: me personally, I don't care about Windows. I want to run Linux. I understand that's a niche market, but we are writing in a Linux thread, so...

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by oblio »

arghwhat wrote: post #102
midrus wrote: post #84

Linux might run, but good luck with the drivers. And good luck with it keeping working with future upgrades of both, hardware and software. Heck, even today it is pretty difficult to get things working reliably unless it is a thinkpad or some other Linux friendly brand. A Mac with subpar support for a webcam, energy saving, suspend/resume, the trackpad, brightness/volume controls, etc is not a laptop, it's an expensi…

Funny, that's how I feel with Windows and Mac. I grab a machine and install Linux, and it works more or less out of the box. Maybe a few fixable quirks. And I don't use Thinkpads. I try to use Windows or macos, and it's a coin toss. Windows handling USB like hot garbage (hub balancing/buffer sizes leading to devices unable to activate, webcams glitching, input lagging at random intervals), display issues (macos doesn…

The thing is, many more people are using Windows, than Macs and many more people are using Macs, than desktop Linuxes. So your anecdata goes against a mountain of anecdata from people using those platforms.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by aorth »

monopoledance wrote: post #98
vespakoen wrote: post #28

marcan, who is working on AsahiLinux, is streaming at this time of writing and just got the framebuffer working, this is one of the most interesting live-code-streams I have seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxnWuXgj3JI

> Started streaming 8 hours ago WTF.

> Started streaming 9 hours ago

Still going. Don't think even stopped to eat, drink, or bio break. I'm also surprised his computer hasn't crashed or something! Really fun to watch him work.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by oblio »

swiley wrote: post #103
titzer wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I discovered last week, to my chagrin, that the RAM on my x1 carbon Stinkpad was starting to fail--memtest x86+ confirmed it. Memory corruption is insidious, so I rushed to the internet to buy new DIMMs, opened the sucker up...and there's no DIMM. The RAM is just soldered into the motherboard. No upgrade, no fix. This is now a pile of unreliable junk that randomly flips bits in memory. So data evac commences, with MD…

Buying a mac after complaining about how you can't replace ram seems a bit odd.

Feelings, not reason, probably applied there. At least it the logic was consistent in both cases.

Re: Linux Running on Apple M1

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Post by titzer »

swiley wrote: post #103
titzer wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I discovered last week, to my chagrin, that the RAM on my x1 carbon Stinkpad was starting to fail--memtest x86+ confirmed it. Memory corruption is insidious, so I rushed to the internet to buy new DIMMs, opened the sucker up...and there's no DIMM. The RAM is just soldered into the motherboard. No upgrade, no fix. This is now a pile of unreliable junk that randomly flips bits in memory. So data evac commences, with MD…

Buying a mac after complaining about how you can't replace ram seems a bit odd.

Yeah, I know. But the chip kicks butt :)

Software will catch up with the M1, I hope!

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