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Parler drops offline after Amazon pulls support

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Post by rm_-rf_slash »

minimuffins wrote: post #81
chasing wrote: post #41

Parler wasn't some innocent social media site that happened to have some disgusting content on it. The disgusting content was literally its reason for existing, despite all of the bland "we're just a free speech site" stuff. And I have yet to hear anyone discuss how "anything goes" and social media do not mix. It's much easier to turn a community toxic than it is to keep it healthy, and healthy communities (of any so…

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Is it a coincidence that the world’s oldest democracy also happens to have many of the most robust corporations?

These corporations are societally expected to uphold a cultural respect for free speech and the rights granted in the First Amendment, but there is no legal basis to compel them to allow speech or activity they do not approve of.

Extrajudicial behavior such as terrorizing a legislature is harmful to these corporations’ profitable predictability. Operators would be in violation of their fiduciary duties to allow such a direct threat to their bottom line to continue, let alone grow.

In other words, money cares more about itself than anyone’s feelings.

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Post by selimthegrim »

sthnblllII wrote: post #119
doggosphere wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actual reason for the war: an informant fed the government bad intel and the state looked the other way because they wanted a reason to invade Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

That is like saying the reason the bank was robbed was because it had so much money in it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strateg... The Bush administration officials who sold those lies to the public were zionist jews who had written this policy paper just 5 years before Bush appointed them into the government.

PNAC has nothing Jewish about it and you’re a troll

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Post by lotsofpulp »

cs-szazz wrote: post #77

Serious question, it seems AWS is by no means a monopoly on web hosting (Google, Azure, Digital Ocean, Linode, the list goes on). It seems to be they're well within their rights as a company to not host Parler, and Parler can try to go somewhere else. If no other companies want to host Parler, isn't that more a reflection of Parler than the hosting companies? It doesn't seem like they should be obligated to host, sin…

> If no other companies want to host Parler, isn't that more a reflection of Parler than the hosting companies?

Yes. The funny thing is that it happened to people who foam at the mouth about the rights of private businesses to do what they want and decry government intervention.

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Post by _pmf_ »

betterunix2 wrote: post #102
notsureaboutpg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT lied to the American public to whip them up into supporting the Iraq War, which led to the deaths of millions of people (many of them innocent). Why won't AWS, Google, and Apple collectively ban them? Their open calls for violence were far more consequential and severe and serious than anything on Parler

The NYT did not make the Iraq war possible. It did not facilitate planning the war. It did not play any role in convincing the Bush administration to go to war. Can we stop with the "whataboutism" already?

Reframing pointing out hypocrisy as "whataboutism" is the greatest trick the devil ever pulled.

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Post by MikeKusold »

chickenpotpie wrote: post #91
abarringer wrote: post #78

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oh com'n. As if twitter doesn't allow people to post stupid junk? Multiple accounts that posted "Kill all white women" "Today seems like a good day for another reminder that all republicans deserve to die" are still active along with plenty of other insane things. You can cherry pick bad stuff from any social media site.

Twitter puts an active effort into removing those posts. You can definitely make the case they don’t go far enough, but Parler did the bare minimum. You would have to cherry pick the reasonable content off that site.

If people are required to upload official identification before posting, why would you not want this site up? It seems like a low-effort honeypot by the FBI. Let all the radicalized people come, easily tie their online & offline identities together, then monitor them.

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Post by drewmol »

doggosphere wrote: post #61
notsureaboutpg wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT lied to the American public to whip them up into supporting the Iraq War, which led to the deaths of millions of people (many of them innocent). Why won't AWS, Google, and Apple collectively ban them? Their open calls for violence were far more consequential and severe and serious than anything on Parler

The actual reason for the war: an informant fed the government bad intel and the state looked the other way because they wanted a reason to invade Iraq. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

"the actual reason for the war...because they wanted a reason" Agreed.

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Post by Miner49er »

JuliusPullo wrote: post #82

Giant corporations and the media, who used to encourage BLM and Antifa riots, are now openly using their power to humiliate and destroy their business competitors and political opposition. But who cares. Let's see what's new in Netflix.

That's capitalism for ya.

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Post by antishatter »

room271 wrote: post #97
minimuffins wrote: post #81

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I agree, but a lot of the arguments made seem to hit the wrong target. The issue is not 'First Amendment' rights (this applies only to government, not private companies), but monopoly, which causes many problems - this being just one. (Although actually I think the specific decisions made here are the right ones.) Now, in practice, it might be more accurate to call these markets oligopolies (certainly cloud infrastru…

There is a censorship issue here but it isn't a first amendment censorship issue.

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Post by dontreact »

Reedx wrote: post #106
betterunix2 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The NYT did not make the Iraq war possible. It did not facilitate planning the war. It did not play any role in convincing the Bush administration to go to war. Can we stop with the "whataboutism" already?

They played a large role in selling the war to the public (manufacturing consent).

When the state is lying, it is not easy for reporters to find out that they are lying. They printed what was at the time a bipartisan consensus which had formed on the basis of lies.

So I guess they were involved, but the journalists in the organization in the time did not have the power or the information to swim against the currents of what was happening. Even if they had shut down their paper, we would have gone to war with Iraq.

On the other hand, Parler has purposefully created a space for people to plan violence against the state, and refused requests to be more careful about moderating.

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