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Erdoğan’s censorship now targeting media outlets in Europe

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Post by naruvimama »

Tomte wrote: post #6
Alupis wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Erdogan has been a loose canon for a long time, and I suspect is only tolerated because of Turkey's precarious NATO membership.

No, because the EU's refugee deal with Turkey is paramount. Without it there are more refugees in Germany (and other "core" EU countries), and the tense political atmosphere tips over.

Put some armed sentry that shoots on sight,, no more refugees.

It is part of Turkey's strategy fill Europe with Muslims and them wanting to reinstate the Caliphate.

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Post by shrimpx »

Aduket wrote: post #57
prox wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there any chance Erdogan will be democratically ousted?

Turk here. i doubt it. Average education level of turkish people is around 8th grade. He controls all the mainstream media, and preachers in the mosques. What remains as a free ground to spread the criticic voice is internet, which has been partially censored up to now and is going to be heavily suppressed as of 2021. And social media will no longer be a safe place for criticizing Erdogan, unless utilizing secure VPN…

I’d like to know why this post is getting downvoted. Can some elucidate? Is this HN trump support at work, or is there something iffy about this post that I can’t identify?

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Post by imraj96 »

Aduket wrote: post #65

Atheist turk here, this youtube channel is the largest social media channel of gulen religious sect/terror group, which tried to topple erdogan in 2016. Despite hating Erdogan to my guts, i can assure you that this gulenist movement/terror group is a bigger threat to secularism and democracy in turkey and world alike.

Genuinely curious to know why you think the gulen movement is a bigger threat to secularism & democracy in Turkey & the world. From my findings, they start & fund secular schools(elementary to university), fund & organize interfaith dialogues, fund social programmes etc.

I've skimmed a couple of books written by Fetullah gulen and what he preaches peace, love and cooperation amongst all. Of course, every group has it's idiosyncrasies, but can't find anything out of the ordinary with the gulen movement.

Has it been established with proof that the gulen movement is responsible for the coup?

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Post by TheOperator »

ethbr0 wrote: post #95
dustysilicon wrote: post #78

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> Think about republican voters and how fanatic they have become under Trump's rule in mere four years. Fanatics? Is that how you refer to different political views? If so, we are all fanatics.

(Keeping this short, as OT) There's a big difference between different political views & refusing to accept the results of a US election and peddling conspiracy theories.

Are we talking about the conspiracy that Trump colluded with the Russians to fix the 2016 election, or the conspiracy that the 2020 elections were won by the democrats through voter fraud?

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Post by ozozozd »

disown wrote: post #28
planetis wrote: post #10

After spending the last year reading about constant warmongering and provocations against my country, with military units on combat alert even on holidays, I only have to say democracy should be reinstated in Turkey and I hope the circumstances can not detriment the friendship and common heritage of Turkish and Greek people.

> common heritage of Turkish and Greek people. What common heritage are you speaking of? Edit: Who knew such benign question would trigger so many. I guess foreigners have a different understanding of what heritage means. Heritage doesn't mean being conquered and/or exchanging words, food, building, etc. Heritage implies "descent". Just because you eat sushi doesn't mean you and a japanese person have a common herita…

You'll probably have some puritanical argument to disregard this but throwing it out here anyways: the genetic pool of modern day Turkey is substantially more Greek and Iranian than Asian.

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Post by jessaustin »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #101
jessaustin wrote: post #79

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...Nagorno-karabakh... That's another recent event that went totally uncovered by USA news media firms. They thought some confused Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians.

> Americans might object to military aid that encourages Muslims to attack Christians Baku is far from a strategic rival to the United States. It’s not an ally either, more non-aligned. Transcaucasian geopolitics—-in reality, most geopolitics—-are not a daily priority for most Americans in a badly-managed pandemic.

Baku is certainly too far away to be a "strategic" anything. One would have hoped that the requirement for military aid would have been a bit more stringent than that! However, they got the arms used in their continued efforts to squeeze the Armenians from USA via Turkey.

Foreign wars playing on USA TV is a double-edged sword. Yes, we should be more aware of how our actions harm those in other nations. But, no, it isn't a good thing for the news firms to make us more worried about remote events, since that fear is itself the most common pretext to additional disastrous violence.

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Post by systemvoltage »

pjc50 wrote: post #92
bitcharmer wrote: post #29

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> They don't want to Any idea why?

The pan-Islamic world is often nationalist before it is Islamic, or even tribal/racist at a level below the nation. It's also non-free countries. The Saudi royal family will go so far as to murder journalists in other countries to preserve their power. Letting a couple of million syrians die is nothing to them, and they're happily smashing up Yemen at the moment.

If we go to the extent of accepting refugees from their neighbors, may be we should also look at sanctioning these evil nations to the point where they feel the same pain as the nations under crisis.

Fuck Saudi Arabia.

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Post by ethbr0 »

TheOperator wrote: post #124
ethbr0 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(Keeping this short, as OT) There's a big difference between different political views & refusing to accept the results of a US election and peddling conspiracy theories.

Are we talking about the conspiracy that Trump colluded with the Russians to fix the 2016 election, or the conspiracy that the 2020 elections were won by the democrats through voter fraud?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories_...

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

DanielBMarkham wrote: post #40

This is a very tricky situation. Two things come to mind. 1. Turkey wants a fight. I keep up on reading the western commentary and analysis about the region (Not the mainstream crap), and it's apparent to me that deeply-entrenched forces in Turkey want a fight. Our strategy so far is to do the best we can to ignore/placate them. I'm not sure how long that continues to work. 2. From time-to-time, we talk on HN about t…

Clarify, please. What kind of a fight, and with whom? A political fight, or a real shooting fight? With internal enemies, the west, or Syria (or somebody else)?
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