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Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Apparently their ads work so well that they're running this in the newspaper.

I'm guessing they target a population that reads paper newspaper and not facebook. And they want us to talk about it too.

Correct! They are speaking to the intelligentsia. They seem to recognize that the target class ditched Fb long ago.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I'm completely impressed Apple is doing that no one can or will probably not do on the future by saving users instead of going for the money.

This is far more than "Don't be evil" that Google is trying to be but it's in the area of "Kill the evil".

Who has ever done this in the world of business?

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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This feature and fb's hate for it makes me seriously consider moving back to. iOS.

I’m on iOS primarily for this reason. If you don’t want to pay the Apple tax just get second hand devices. I just upgraded to the iPhone 8 and it’s perfect. Feels premium still. Does everything I need.

I never understood what Apple tax is. They deliver according to their price. It's just people don't realize the value.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I know my comment will get downvoted. But there's a lot of misconception about Facebook, and the other counter-arguments are worth mentioning too. Facebook does not sell our data, in fact, they keep it very secure. Facebook merely allows advertisers to target you based on your interests (which it learns from your activities). Advertisers cannot identify anyone, they just select categories for which they want their ad…

> Facebook merely allows advertisers to target you based on your interests (which it learns from your activities).

Yes, but those activities may include "browsed a store's page for products in category X". Data, which I didn't explicitly give FB permission to have, nor did I know they would or could track me on said store's page. Still, their magic algorithms can combine my browsing activity on pages containing their tracker with my identity on FB and target ads based on that.

It may not be "immoral", but it's really disturbing.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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the SE 2 is also a pretty good price, it's only a generation behind in the processor department (7nm A13), has touch ID (no mask moving for face ID) and is $400 (449 for 128gb). Apple's margins for this device can't be large given the iP8 it's modeled after costed $700 at launch.

It looks fantastic. The only downside for me is that it lacks a headphone jack. How easy is it to port contacts and texts over from the Google ecosystem?

Just get Lightning to mobile jack adapter?

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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> I prefer ads that are relevant to my interests. A third party company that buys ads will decide on the content. What ads you see will be aligned with their interests, not yours; e.g. if you're a "high earner", you might see ads for more expensive products and no cheap alternatives. If you're "expecting a child", the ads might scare you into buying more child safety products than you need; etc.

It's in Facebook interests to show you ads that you like seeing, or feel are relevant. Facebook gives you a lot of control to manage your 'interests'. You can do so here: https://www.facebook.com/ads/settings If you're scrolling your feed and see an ad you don't like, you can click the three dots, and select "Hide this Ad". Facebook learns from this.

What FB learns from this is not the fact that you don't like ads, it makes their ad targeting even better.

This is like A/B testing, they can show you two kinds of ads for one category and learn what kind of ad won't make you hide it. Then you'll get served more ads of that type.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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This feature and fb's hate for it makes me seriously consider moving back to. iOS.

Yeah it’s nice of Facebook to tell us how serious these changes are.

It just proved iOS team already succeeded with the change even before deploying.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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I have zero sympathy for Facebook. If they claim to care so much about small businesses, they should start by committing to change how they respond to any upstart social app that dares encroach on what they see as their territory. That being said - and it pains me to say this - but there is absolutely truth to the fact that the style of targeting now possible on FB & Instagram has enabled an entire world of very smal…

This is a band-aid that needs to be ripped off. If a business is dependent on these kinds of ad networks, it was never a sound business to begin with, and deserves to suffer and hopefully die off.

Re: Facebook criticizes Apple’s iOS privacy changes with full-page newspaper ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook doesn’t sell your data, they sell your future behavior. Being identified the advertisers hasn’t been the point for years. Facebook knows that, so they make a righteous play by saying they keep it safe from advertisers. Facebook doesn’t sell your data, they sell your attention, and that’s much more valuable.

What does that even mean?

What is an advertisement other than a calculated bet that X% of people will change their behavior because of it? What is a personalized ad other than a bet that /you/ will change /your/ behavior because of it?

Facebook promises advertisers $Y billion user-hours per month by providing an enticing skinner box for social creatures and sells personalized ads to the highest bidder.

“Sells your attention and future behavior” seems like a reasonable description.

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