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Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…

in addition "lets go over to your place i want to have a look around"

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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post #59

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Just change the hypothetical into: "Would you give me your home address and keys so I can drop off a newspaper on your coffee table each morning?" Yes, it's a bit long, but it takes into account your concern of giving data and not receiving anything in return. And Facebook/Insta/Social media in general is very similar to having a newspaper available at your coffee table each day.

Given that plenty of people give their home address and keys to a cleaner (domestic maid service), I really don't think that argument is going to get you anywhere.

i wonder how many of those people use nannycams?

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…

Not really a fair set of questions, since at least (3), (4), and (5) can potentially lead to others accessing/taking my stuff (bank accounts, home, etc.) rather than just knowing about me.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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post #82

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Okay so I misspoke. I don't want anyone to see I'm using the commode. That's why the door is closed. I've lived places where the bathroom door is open most of the time, so just closing it is sufficient. I've lived places where it's closed all the time (e.g. pets) so it gets locked.

>I don't want anyone to see I'm using the commode so then why ? maybe because of shame. So then its the shame that need to be fixed.

the shame belongs to the person that walks in and stares at you

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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post #56

Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…

Posted this five months ago, but its still relevant: My nothing to hide argument; Nothing to hide is an incomplete sentence. Nothing to hide from who? Surly you want to hide your children from abusers and predators? Don't you want to hide your banking details from con artists and fraudsters? Your identity from identity thieves.. Your location from burglars, your car keys from car thieves or your blood type from some…

I have stopped arguing about it. I just cynically observe the people who keep insisting that they have nothing to hide, and then watch them suffer the consequences of their own decisions.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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I do not think it is a given that the general public feels powerless about privacy. Why would someone take steps to empower themselves if they see no need for such power?

You're right: people don't feel a need for that. And it's because all the "spying" ironically happens secretly. May be if every person got an email every time their data is sold to the third party, things would have changed quickly.

I'd say things like moralism also play a role here. We've allowed people to believe in untruths like the idea that people who value privacy have something to hide, or even that the average person has nothing to hide. The latter can be easily seen when you see what people seem naturally prone to sharing on social media that the average non-social media viewer is astounded by.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…

Well, I tried using this exact argument on someone, and their reply was "I'm happy to provide all of these, and more, to any law enforcement agency that needs it. I'm not worried about government abusing this, and I don't understand why you do. I'm also not worried about stealing this information, because it simply won't happen to me".

There's no point in arguing with some people. The logic just doesn't work.

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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post #15

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I do not think it is a given that the general public feels powerless about privacy. Why would someone take steps to empower themselves if they see no need for such power?

You're right: people don't feel a need for that. And it's because all the "spying" ironically happens secretly. May be if every person got an email every time their data is sold to the third party, things would have changed quickly.

ironically?

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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post #63

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Well, let's build something here. The current article argues in its opening that "nobody cares" ... The immediate retort to any "nobody cares" statement -- before one even finishes the sentence -- is "then it's probably for a good reason." It's counter-productive and frames your argument from the "weak outsider" perspective. So if we ought to frame our argument from a position of competence rather than insecurity (my…

If the subject comes up, I ask the question: "how to you think Facebook makes money?" I try to educate them on the business side of their social media: what does it look like when you start a Facebook ad-campaign? Select users by criteria, sometimes very complex and precise criteria. How do you feel about an advertiser selecting $subgroup-closely-resembling-partner-in-conversation? I don't think I'm changing many min…

I think you may not get much traction w/ "boo hoo, facebook is rich" or "oh no, facebook knows what i like".

I mentioned this earlier, but IMHO the best answer is one taken from Netflix's Social Dilemma:

"Facebook makes money by selling a guaranteed change behavior. Your behavior."

Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”

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See also Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother" book series -- esp the new one, "Attack Surface". It provides a rare combination of accurate technical details, fairly plausible scenarios, and approachability / suitability for a broad audience.

Pretty much all of Doctorow's work is worth a read, as a matter of fact.
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