Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…
Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
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Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Just change the hypothetical into: "Would you give me your home address and keys so I can drop off a newspaper on your coffee table each morning?" Yes, it's a bit long, but it takes into account your concern of giving data and not receiving anything in return. And Facebook/Insta/Social media in general is very similar to having a newspaper available at your coffee table each day.
Given that plenty of people give their home address and keys to a cleaner (domestic maid service), I really don't think that argument is going to get you anywhere.
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#123Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Okay so I misspoke. I don't want anyone to see I'm using the commode. That's why the door is closed. I've lived places where the bathroom door is open most of the time, so just closing it is sufficient. I've lived places where it's closed all the time (e.g. pets) so it gets locked.
>I don't want anyone to see I'm using the commode so then why ? maybe because of shame. So then its the shame that need to be fixed.
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#125Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…
Posted this five months ago, but its still relevant: My nothing to hide argument; Nothing to hide is an incomplete sentence. Nothing to hide from who? Surly you want to hide your children from abusers and predators? Don't you want to hide your banking details from con artists and fraudsters? Your identity from identity thieves.. Your location from burglars, your car keys from car thieves or your blood type from some…
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not think it is a given that the general public feels powerless about privacy. Why would someone take steps to empower themselves if they see no need for such power?
You're right: people don't feel a need for that. And it's because all the "spying" ironically happens secretly. May be if every person got an email every time their data is sold to the third party, things would have changed quickly.
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#127Whenever somebody argues having nothing to hide I ask: 1) Where were you last night? 2) How much money is in your bank account? Do you have any debt? 3) What is your Debit Card PIN/account password/... 4) What is your address? Your families address? 5) Can I see your key? And so on. Everybody needs to proctect themselves and potentially others attached to them. There is a good reason for these questions being awkward…
There's no point in arguing with some people. The logic just doesn't work.
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do not think it is a given that the general public feels powerless about privacy. Why would someone take steps to empower themselves if they see no need for such power?
You're right: people don't feel a need for that. And it's because all the "spying" ironically happens secretly. May be if every person got an email every time their data is sold to the third party, things would have changed quickly.
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, let's build something here. The current article argues in its opening that "nobody cares" ... The immediate retort to any "nobody cares" statement -- before one even finishes the sentence -- is "then it's probably for a good reason." It's counter-productive and frames your argument from the "weak outsider" perspective. So if we ought to frame our argument from a position of competence rather than insecurity (my…
If the subject comes up, I ask the question: "how to you think Facebook makes money?" I try to educate them on the business side of their social media: what does it look like when you start a Facebook ad-campaign? Select users by criteria, sometimes very complex and precise criteria. How do you feel about an advertiser selecting $subgroup-closely-resembling-partner-in-conversation? I don't think I'm changing many min…
I mentioned this earlier, but IMHO the best answer is one taken from Netflix's Social Dilemma:
"Facebook makes money by selling a guaranteed change behavior. Your behavior."
Re: Privacy matters even if “you have nothing to hide”
#130See also Cory Doctorow's "Little Brother" book series -- esp the new one, "Attack Surface". It provides a rare combination of accurate technical details, fairly plausible scenarios, and approachability / suitability for a broad audience.