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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by adrr »

thursday0987 wrote: post #80
whateveracct wrote: post #70

HNers really are clowns - there's a chorus of people acting like this is oppression. When the most powerful people in the United States are constantly spreading lies to destabilize the fundamentals of the country for years to come. Downvote me all you want - it's just proof that SV is full of assclowns. Such a shame that I probably work with some of you idiots.

The state of Texas is suing other states in the supreme court and alledging fraud. Youtube's new policy basically is saying that the state of Texas is not allowed to discuss the supreme court case on their platform.

Your post is an example of misinformation. Attorney general is alleging that changes made by these states were unconstitutional.

Here’s the statement from the Texas AG. https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/ag-paxton...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by golemotron »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #72
PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Yes, it has, to a degree. C.f. Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, etc. (These voices became much less prominent after their deplatforming.) There's also a deontological argument to be made for banning dangerous falsehoods on one's platform.

How do you know? Their voices might just be someplace where you (and people you know) don't hear them. The world of discourse is wider than our awareness.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by opinion-is-bad »

gaurav90sharma wrote: post #22
macspoofing wrote: post #4

For God's sakes ... What underpins this need for social media companies to virtue signal about protecting 'election integrity' is the false notion that 2016 was stolen from Hillary by the Russians - a claim that had no evidential support (and no, that some trolls bought a minuscule amount of Facebook ads does not raise this claim to that level) but the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the l…

I guess the difference between 2016 and 2020 outcomes is that democrats at least didn't create any ruckus during the power transfer from Obama to Trump . Plus, since the Democrats did it , the Republicans have a right to create a bigger ruckus is not justified. Also the Russian interference was more about social media influence rather than raising questions on election or voter integrity. A lot of Trump supporters ar…

This is satire, correct?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by compiler-guy »

With apologies to H.L. Mencken [1]

"Freedom of video publishing belongs to those who own the platform."

The good news is that anyone can own a platform these days. If you want to publish something, you can do it yourself very easily. You don't have to have youtube do it for you.

[1] https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/05/21/free-press/#:~:text....

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by jakelazaroff »

gameswithgo wrote: post #82
PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

There are many examples out of there of people ending up in some weird conspiracy theory rabbit hole, and often it starts with some youtube video, or post on facebook. Mothers who have lost sons, wives who have lost husbands. They have seen them turn into crazy people (examples: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/14/qanon-f... ) If those videos are not as present on youtube to begin with, perhaps fewer…

Not sure why this is downvoted. The YouTube radicalization pathway is fairly well documented, e.g. [1][2][3]. Even if we can't all agree on the specific mechanism of action, the phenomenon certainly exists.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/1912.11211

[2] https://mark-ledwich.medium.com/youtube-radicalization-an-au...

[3] https://www.wired.com/story/not-youtubes-algorithm-radicaliz...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by laurent92 »

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Censorship has always worked quite well, unfortunately. I grew up believing certain things until, around 30, I went to look up the figures and noticed clichés and prejudices were more correct than teachers and journalists. What a world we live in. Not a situation I’d desire!

To start with, it seems Galileo didn’t say « Pero se mueve ». If you pull the string from there, he can’t possibly have been incarcerated for saying that the Earth wasn’t the center of universe, because Kepler more or less said the same before and wasn’t incarcerated. All of that, which I had been taught in school, is false. The king of France was guillotined because he wanted to organize a referendum for him, which he was confident to win, not because he was unpopular. And so it goes on to XXth century, and the to XXIth century, with the feminism and racism narratives. When you notice the ILO’s universal treaty of 1928 against slavery of every human on Earth...

...didn’t include males from 18 to 49. Who had to wait until the UN treaty of 1957 against forced labour, if I remember, to be included.

I’m praying every night for the world to pop out of this censorship of reality. But praying is less efficient than censorship.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Veedrac »

PeterStuer wrote: post #64

Regardless of what you believe to be 'The Truth', has suppression or censorship ever worked to quench dissonance or convince skeptical people, again, whether right or wrong, that there really is 'nothing to see here'.

Censorship does work, that's why countries do it.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by peternicky »

Let’s be real for a moment; why didn’t YouTube do the same for the russian collusion charade? How about the many video clips used out of context to manipulate the public? YouTube, google, facistbook etc are all surrogates for the DNC.

the idea of a safe harbor date is also one which we will see shorty, has little relevance.

https://hereistheevidence.com/

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by justinzollars »

This just adds to 2020 being a depressing year. If we are going to go down the path of political censorship, we may as well have effective government too. But we have the worst of all worlds. We have the combination of political censorship and ineffective government.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by [deleted] »

drchopchop wrote: post #21
macspoofing wrote: post #4

For God's sakes ... What underpins this need for social media companies to virtue signal about protecting 'election integrity' is the false notion that 2016 was stolen from Hillary by the Russians - a claim that had no evidential support (and no, that some trolls bought a minuscule amount of Facebook ads does not raise this claim to that level) but the entire Democratic party, with media allies, promulgated for the l…

The problem is the "regular open discussion", which has turned into a cesspool of fact-free ranting, and has created serious societal virality and negative impact. You can rant against the mainstream media, but at least there is a modicum of fact checking and research there -- how many independent YouTube sources do the same?

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