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Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

#121

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I require external validation and I can't validate myself. Does it make me narcissistic too?

Most everyone react positively to positive feedback from peers.

Most of what I do in life is in order for me to be considered successful by others and I don't trust my own judgment of my success. How do I know if I'm delusional or not without feedback of others?

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

#122

The older I get, the more I realize how many problems in the world are caused by the dark personality spectrum. Most men, police officers, priests, white people, catholics, politicians, or Germans are actually nice people who wouldn't harm anybody even if given the chance. A lot of the abuse that was done by these groups, be it towards women, ethnic minorities, children, or police brutality, was most likely done by s…

Isn't this just circular since we would classify all people doing bad things as people with dark personality traits?

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

#123

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You could think of any interaction in the world as a trade of something. Best if it is a win win for both sides.

Best in life is to crush your enemies, see dem driven before you, and to hear da lamentations of da vemen.

Why would you have enemies?

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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> Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed? I think these studies are all significantly flawed because successful people with dark personality traits learn to cover up their dark traits. As a result, the cohort of people with "dark traits" in these observational studies will inevitably be skewed towards those who are less successful/intelligent/adaptable. Possessing "dark traits" basically means…

'Dark' people don't hide it as well as they'd like. When it becomes clear somebody wants to play the dark game, all the choices become restrictive. Someone who has gained a position of authority with those traits is usually not worth challenging because you have to play the influence game in the dark where the rules have likely been implicitly set up against you. Inspiring fear or exhaustion becomes easy.

Light people can choose to play this game, and they can choose to expand into a different space. There's somewhere else to shine your light and it's usually more saistfying to expand elsewhere joyously than influence in the dark with fear.

If 'dark' people display their traits and abilities, it's no longer dark. Immoral choices tend to reduce your options, not give you more.

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

#125

The older I get, the more I realize how many problems in the world are caused by the dark personality spectrum. Most men, police officers, priests, white people, catholics, politicians, or Germans are actually nice people who wouldn't harm anybody even if given the chance. A lot of the abuse that was done by these groups, be it towards women, ethnic minorities, children, or police brutality, was most likely done by s…

Isn't this just circular since we would classify all people doing bad things as people with dark personality traits?

That's not how dark personalities are defined. With enough training one can recognize them. Relevant video: https://youtu.be/GaeJCA4nRPI

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

#126

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Isn't this just circular since we would classify all people doing bad things as people with dark personality traits?

That's not how dark personalities are defined. With enough training one can recognize them. Relevant video: https://youtu.be/GaeJCA4nRPI

I got quite high on the dark spectrum there, but I don't do actions that I believe would harm others.

So I believe the whole premise is flawed as all criminals are going to skew the average and essentially give "dark traits" a bad rep.

I believe "dark traits" will make you more productive and able to reach goals more effectively, so if you have goals that are beneficial for society you would also be more effective in reaching said goals as well.

Take Bill Gates for instance. Historically it's easy to tell he has had some very dark traits, and also I think it seems obvious that he has learned to hide them better as he has aged, but look how much benefit for the world his work and everything has been doing.

So all in all, it's not dark traits, but dark goals.

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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post #81

> Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed? I think these studies are all significantly flawed because successful people with dark personality traits learn to cover up their dark traits. As a result, the cohort of people with "dark traits" in these observational studies will inevitably be skewed towards those who are less successful/intelligent/adaptable. Possessing "dark traits" basically means…

If only HN had a gold star type thing, instead you'll have to settle for being included in my notes. > having greater optionality in your actions is likely to lead to a more optimal path towards your goal. One of the frequent issues I hit with other people is that they will "block off" a choice before actually evaluating it. They will, for instance, refuse to bring up that they have another job offer in a salary nego…

> If only HN had a gold star type thing, instead you'll have to settle for being included in my notes.

HN has an often overlooked favourite feature, if that helps. It seems to only show for the comment at the top of the tree you're viewing.

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

#128
Depends on your definition of success, but psychopaths do exist.

http://hintjens.com/blog:_psychopaths

“Monsters exist, but they are too few in number to be truly dangerous. More dangerous are the common men, the functionaries ready to believe and to act without asking questions.”

―Primo Levi

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

#129

The older I get, the more I realize how many problems in the world are caused by the dark personality spectrum. Most men, police officers, priests, white people, catholics, politicians, or Germans are actually nice people who wouldn't harm anybody even if given the chance. A lot of the abuse that was done by these groups, be it towards women, ethnic minorities, children, or police brutality, was most likely done by s…

Did you just use white as a description for a group of people on the dark personality dimension?

Re: Are people with dark personality traits more likely to succeed?

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I've found Daniel Khaneman's definition of happiness being useful here. He divides happiness into two parts: a "experiential" happiness and a "reflecting" happiness. For the sake of the discussion and acknowledging I have zero insight into his personality, someone like Steve Jobs could be low in "experiential" happiness (seemingly endlessly frustrated in the present moment) and high on the "reflecting" happiness ("lo…

If happiness is the ultimate goal should we work on finding something like heroin, but without tolerance build up and withdrawals?

Maybe, but I don’t know that is a good assumption because that experiential happiness is, by definition, fleeting. That reflecting fulfilling memory lasts longer and I don’t that is maximized under that assumption
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